LAX 756 now in BES
01-17-2013, 05:33 AM
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L-UAL can use the CAL sims, and photocopy the CAL syllabus, but the instructors and examiners training L-UAL pilots must be L-UAL seniority list pilots per the L-UAL contract and the UPA. Until SLI occurs the training departments remain separate.
01-17-2013, 05:38 AM
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Last I heard it was 2 -900's per month, so I guess that's "nearly zero net change"
Do you know the anticipated delivery dates for those aircraft?
01-17-2013, 06:23 AM
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Yup, that's an issue.
L-UAL can use the CAL sims, and photocopy the CAL syllabus, but the instructors and examiners training L-UAL pilots must be L-UAL seniority list pilots per the L-UAL contract and the UPA. Until SLI occurs the training departments remain separate.
L-UAL can use the CAL sims, and photocopy the CAL syllabus, but the instructors and examiners training L-UAL pilots must be L-UAL seniority list pilots per the L-UAL contract and the UPA. Until SLI occurs the training departments remain separate.
If there was sim time to be had. From previous years and the latest from the P2P, CAL has no more 737 sim time and will be using AMR's sims for overflow. CAL will continue to hire 60 a month through the summer into October.
01-17-2013, 06:35 AM
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The 24 "United" 737-900ER deliveries in 2013 include the L-UAL assigned aircraft from the L-UAL order in 2012. Per the announcement, L-UAL aircraft are scheduled for deliveries starting in August, 2013. UCH also actually cancelled some pre-merger CAL 737NG orders when the MAX order was placed; I don't know offhand the original delivery dates for the cancelled aircraft.
Even if S-CAL takes 18 of the 24 this year (which would match the 2012 pace) it's only a net increase of 12. Add 3 787s in the second half and 15 divided by the CAL fleet (360?) is a pretty small percentage that could be rounded to zero, but I described as nearly zero. CAL is hiring for retirements, FAR 117, and the UPA, not some massive growth plan.
It's all p***ing in the wind anyway---at this point the merger is complete, except for SLI, and all these aircraft are "United" airplanes.
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01-17-2013, 06:58 AM
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And I don't want to hear about code share, etc because training pilots is in the old and new CBA.
01-17-2013, 07:37 AM
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LCAL is losing 6 737's by June and taking delivery of 2 737's a month until June.
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01-17-2013, 09:38 AM
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A net increase in airframes on the CAL side: 6 737-500's for 12 737-900's
Thanks Otto
01-17-2013, 09:46 AM
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Doesn't matter. All that's going to matter is what was on the property a couple years ago when the deal was done. Neither pilot group is going to benefit or lose because management decided to pick apart certain pieces of the combined airline. And both sides has 25 787 orders, and the UAL side has the 25 A-350s.
So whatever net loss or gain is going to affect us all equally. We need to start being one pilot group and hopefully this will be done by August (per the latest MEC merger update) and instead of complaining about each other, we can begin to complain about other equally unimportant and unproductive topics.
So whatever net loss or gain is going to affect us all equally. We need to start being one pilot group and hopefully this will be done by August (per the latest MEC merger update) and instead of complaining about each other, we can begin to complain about other equally unimportant and unproductive topics.
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