UAL Accused of "Sham Business"
02-06-2013, 05:26 PM
#21
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Ok,
Is it just me or has every decision and direction taken by these bumpkins in Houston been the worst possible course ever chosen? It's like they find the best path then u-turn to the 180. Shares? OMG what a disaster. Can't wait until CMS wreaks havoc on our lifestyle and wallet. Mark my words... It will be a completely unmitigated piece of cr@p. Cont PBS will be full bore PMS. Even the simple stuff these idiots can't understand. I'm sitting in the ORD Emp parking lot watching huge buses with 1 pax each go to gate E13 whereas jam packed mini buses are going to terminal 1? Seriously? I've heard bigger buses are on the way, rumored, but in the meantime how about these "geniuses" put the big buses where they are needed?? I get so damned tired of one bone headed screw up after another. It is the rule here, not the exception like it used to be. When will the IAH regional mindsets realize we no longer live in the trailer park. Even the best trailer is one in the trailer park! Christ get these heads out of the sand and let LUAL show you how it is done....we have been doing so for more years that the Houstonites and Jersey Shores have been in existence.
Is it just me or has every decision and direction taken by these bumpkins in Houston been the worst possible course ever chosen? It's like they find the best path then u-turn to the 180. Shares? OMG what a disaster. Can't wait until CMS wreaks havoc on our lifestyle and wallet. Mark my words... It will be a completely unmitigated piece of cr@p. Cont PBS will be full bore PMS. Even the simple stuff these idiots can't understand. I'm sitting in the ORD Emp parking lot watching huge buses with 1 pax each go to gate E13 whereas jam packed mini buses are going to terminal 1? Seriously? I've heard bigger buses are on the way, rumored, but in the meantime how about these "geniuses" put the big buses where they are needed?? I get so damned tired of one bone headed screw up after another. It is the rule here, not the exception like it used to be. When will the IAH regional mindsets realize we no longer live in the trailer park. Even the best trailer is one in the trailer park! Christ get these heads out of the sand and let LUAL show you how it is done....we have been doing so for more years that the Houstonites and Jersey Shores have been in existence.
Yeah, your posts are just dripping with integrity.
02-06-2013, 06:10 PM
#22
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Another United Sham?
I worked in Guangzhou for 1 year. I lived in one of the original expat areas. Close to a longtime landmark called The Garden Hotel. When the president goes to Guangzhou, this is where he stays.
On the first floor there are a bunch of ultra-high end retail outlets, with of course, no customers. Along with these retail outlets there is a ticket office - for United Airlines. Also with no customers. Ever. It is staffed by 2-3 locals, open rarely, and when it is open, has no customers. I used to walk by it almost every day. Usually more than once.
We don't fly to GZ. We almost did a while back, but I believe we never started the service. Thank god we have a super expensive ticket office there, just in case we decide to fly there.
I worked in Guangzhou for 1 year. I lived in one of the original expat areas. Close to a longtime landmark called The Garden Hotel. When the president goes to Guangzhou, this is where he stays.
On the first floor there are a bunch of ultra-high end retail outlets, with of course, no customers. Along with these retail outlets there is a ticket office - for United Airlines. Also with no customers. Ever. It is staffed by 2-3 locals, open rarely, and when it is open, has no customers. I used to walk by it almost every day. Usually more than once.
We don't fly to GZ. We almost did a while back, but I believe we never started the service. Thank god we have a super expensive ticket office there, just in case we decide to fly there.
02-06-2013, 06:48 PM
#23
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And let me ask you one question? How many pilots left United to fly at Continental ? How many pilots left FEDEX to fly at Continental? How many pilots left Southwest to fly at Continental? Many in the above categories DID leave to fly at United. Continental was the airline of last resort.
02-06-2013, 07:12 PM
#24
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Again.....here we go with the Ual vs. Cal junk. And again, I have flown on both sides, get over it! ORD vs IAH , Batman vs Superman. Shut it! There are some differences in the way the two companies have been run, ie. the "cultures," but all in all, we are all airline pilots, and professionals. I have flown with the good, the bad,and the ugly (sorry bag o doghnuts, scary Mary, and Corbus......need I go on?) on both sides. And, I have flown with the guys that I want to pattern myself after as a captain on both sides. All of the ****ing contests over which side was the savior of the other and which side was in more financial trouble than the other and which hubs suck it and which don't are just a waste of time and energy. We can either move on with our lives and work towards a better future for us all , (and yes that unfortunately means a better future for Jeff, Glenn , Pete, et. al.) Or we can just fight each other til the death and end up like USAir / America West. I am personally sick of it. You fighters can bash me, but I am a lover , and ready to move on . As far as the thread goes.......why wouldn't we try to save money as a corporation? We ALL try to pay the least amount of taxes possible for ourselves don't we? Gov't is greedy , isn't it? I agree with those who said if Illinois pushes this too far, we leave for greener pastures, but I find it actually appealing that our company would try to save money , and not at the expense of the employees for a change!
02-06-2013, 07:32 PM
#25
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Again.....here we go with the Ual vs. Cal junk. And again, I have flown on both sides, get over it! ORD vs IAH , Batman vs Superman. Shut it! There are some differences in the way the two companies have been run, ie. the "cultures," but all in all, we are all airline pilots, and professionals. I have flown with the good, the bad,and the ugly (sorry bag o doghnuts, scary Mary, and Corbus......need I go on?) on both sides. And, I have flown with the guys that I want to pattern myself after as a captain on both sides. All of the ****ing contests over which side was the savior of the other and which side was in more financial trouble than the other and which hubs suck it and which don't are just a waste of time and energy. We can either move on with our lives and work towards a better future for us all , (and yes that unfortunately means a better future for Jeff, Glenn , Pete, et. al.) Or we can just fight each other til the death and end up like USAir / America West. I am personally sick of it. You fighters can bash me, but I am a lover , and ready to move on . As far as the thread goes.......why wouldn't we try to save money as a corporation? We ALL try to pay the least amount of taxes possible for ourselves don't we? Gov't is greedy , isn't it? I agree with those who said if Illinois pushes this too far, we leave for greener pastures, but I find it actually appealing that our company would try to save money , and not at the expense of the employees for a change!
02-07-2013, 12:16 AM
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02-07-2013, 05:16 AM
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02-07-2013, 05:30 AM
#29
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Again.....here we go with the Ual vs. Cal junk. And again, I have flown on both sides, get over it! ORD vs IAH , Batman vs Superman. Shut it! There are some differences in the way the two companies have been run, ie. the "cultures," but all in all, we are all airline pilots, and professionals. I have flown with the good, the bad,and the ugly (sorry bag o doghnuts, scary Mary, and Corbus......need I go on?) on both sides. And, I have flown with the guys that I want to pattern myself after as a captain on both sides. All of the ****ing contests over which side was the savior of the other and which side was in more financial trouble than the other and which hubs suck it and which don't are just a waste of time and energy. We can either move on with our lives and work towards a better future for us all , (and yes that unfortunately means a better future for Jeff, Glenn , Pete, et. al.) Or we can just fight each other til the death and end up like USAir / America West. I am personally sick of it. You fighters can bash me, but I am a lover , and ready to move on . As far as the thread goes.......why wouldn't we try to save money as a corporation? We ALL try to pay the least amount of taxes possible for ourselves don't we? Gov't is greedy , isn't it? I agree with those who said if Illinois pushes this too far, we leave for greener pastures, but I find it actually appealing that our company would try to save money , and not at the expense of the employees for a change!
02-07-2013, 05:31 AM
#30
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All the combined growth of UAL/CAL was put on the CAL side by new CAL management. So 40% of the pilot group was given a false trajectory of growth.
Also, that in a super large and undesirable base, where there are also a few hundred FOs who are staying FOs instead of upgrading to capt because it isn't that great to commute to CAL reserve.
So the UAL side has all the CAPs are senior to the FOs and the CAL side is a hodgepodge mixture with CAP going junior while other FOs (lots of 90 hires still FOs by choice) stay in the right seat.
We had 3 year CAPs as well, and it turned out, they stayed junior for a long time. Which is likely of what a 2005 hire 757 CAP is going to be.
Which just means that if ALL the pilot bid their strict seniority, a 757 Cap would be an early 90s hire (same as UAL), and not venture down into the bottom half of the list. So "every 2005 hire and before" can't really be a 757 Cap because there would be no FOs on any airplanes.
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