Snarge

And why is that?

Seems reasonable that UAL recalls won't occur until post SLI... until then, it is not a recall, just a call.

JMD16

Two schools of thought. Voluntary furloughs (200) called back with notification of recall in the next 30 days to get the the involuntary pilots to fill 320 FO seats or just wait till SLI and deal with the training log jam in the summer.

Snarge

Sounds like possible for 150-200% SRM pay.... with other raging that.... it is a no-no with pilots on furlough.....

JMD16

SRM a different argument. Agree it slows or stops recalls. While flying at UA and CO they never seemed to run out of volunteers

IADBLRJ41

When the SLI is complete do the UAL Furloughs still have defer rights till 2018? Or must they return once recalls begin:?

JMD16

I'm not sure. On the first furlough as UA went thru the list the second time (junior to senior) pilots had to resign or come back. Think the furlough mitigation letter allows bypass for ten years.

cadetdrivr

Nope.

Per the old L-UAL contract, and the new JCBA, furloughed pilots have 10 years from date of furlough to bypass recall. Thus the last group of furloughees have until 2019 to bypass.

Historically, about 50% of furloughed pilots ever return to their job--the remainder are satisfied in their new gig. There already are approximately 400 UA pilots that have accepted the CAL job offer so realistically that means there are probably only another 300-400 that will return to UCH over the next several years. And to be clear, the CAL job offer is not the same as an official recall but it does provide a ballpark of where the overall numbers stand.

IADBLRJ41

Thanks.. So this thought that all 1436 will come back right away is far from what might happen. So new hire might come closer to the fall or later 2013 in waves based upon the SLI.

Of course what do I know

cadetdrivr

It's anybody's guess at this point, and while I suspect some will now return with the new contract, those that really wanted (or needed) to race back are already on the property.

For many of the furloughed pilots that have not accepted the CAL offer, the incentive exists to wait. This permits them to hedge their career between two employers as well as allow more pilots to retire (and be hired) and thus improve their relative seniority when they do return.

One thing to watch: about 500 out of the 1436 UAL pilots furloughed were on MIL leave when the whole thing went down. (UAL had to furlough >1400 to remove 900 warm bodies). For many of these pilots, their return will be timed in relation to their military status. As Iraq and Afghanistan wind down we'll see more of these pilots making their post-military career decisions...which may or may not include UAL.

JMD16

I agree that it will be a trickle back after 3-400 pilots accept recall. The pilots I know flying on the CO side will almost all come back to the UA side.