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12-24-2012, 04:46 AM
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How has it worked in previous mergers concerning seniority and the jumpseat?
Does anyone know if a pilot's original DOH is kept for the jumpseat, pass travel and dead heading after the ISL? How did it work for the pilots at DAL/NWA?
Thanks,
LJD
Does anyone know if a pilot's original DOH is kept for the jumpseat, pass travel and dead heading after the ISL? How did it work for the pilots at DAL/NWA?
Thanks,
LJD
12-24-2012, 05:46 AM
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Jumpseat = pilot seniority (TBD by ISL)
Pass travel = DOH
Deadheading = DOH (it's essentially PS pass travel)
Not sure how it worked for DAL/NWA. Merry Christmas from LHR (52hrs)!!!
12-24-2012, 09:17 AM
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After all, other employee groups aren't senior to us on the pilot list, but they get to ride ahead of us based on their date of hire.
That's how it works now at least with both groups.
12-25-2012, 10:27 AM
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At United, pass travel and jumpseat are strictly done by date of hire. So I can imagine that if there ends up being inversions where maybe one pilot is "senior" because his side did a better job negotiating than another side, he still won't lose out on his jumpseat or pass travel privileges.
After all, other employee groups aren't senior to us on the pilot list, but they get to ride ahead of us based on their date of hire.
That's how it works now at least with both groups.
After all, other employee groups aren't senior to us on the pilot list, but they get to ride ahead of us based on their date of hire.
That's how it works now at least with both groups.
12-25-2012, 01:41 PM
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Pass travel is DOH, but cockpit JS authority is based on your pilot longevity. Two separate and distinct dates. We have pilots who are prior company employees and they do not get to use their company DOH to access a JS at LUAL.
12-25-2012, 07:43 PM
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So then lets say they show up for one jumpseat, the CAL guy says "I have 17 years" the UAL says "I'm ahead of you on the pilot list"
So who gets the jumpseat then?
12-26-2012, 07:57 PM
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Exactly, and we are going to have a situation where lets say a 15 year UAL pilot ends up senior to a 17 year CAL pilot on the combined seniority list (or vice versa).
So then lets say they show up for one jumpseat, the CAL guy says "I have 17 years" the UAL says "I'm ahead of you on the pilot list"
So who gets the jumpseat then?
So then lets say they show up for one jumpseat, the CAL guy says "I have 17 years" the UAL says "I'm ahead of you on the pilot list"
So who gets the jumpseat then?
12-27-2012, 05:42 AM
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Exactly, and we are going to have a situation where lets say a 15 year UAL pilot ends up senior to a 17 year CAL pilot on the combined seniority list (or vice versa).
So then lets say they show up for one jumpseat, the CAL guy says "I have 17 years" the UAL says "I'm ahead of you on the pilot list"
So who gets the jumpseat then?
So then lets say they show up for one jumpseat, the CAL guy says "I have 17 years" the UAL says "I'm ahead of you on the pilot list"
So who gets the jumpseat then?
12-28-2012, 03:29 PM
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Negative. CAL has priority on CAL, UAL on UAL. The interesting thing will be when there are 3 JS from the 2 different sides after this is all merged. The most senior guy gets the JS, the guy in the middle may not have the longevity that the junior guy has so he gets bumped out of the cabin even though he may be senior to the guy getting the seat. Clear as mud> I got bumped out of the JS and bumped out of first class by a XJT pilot who was hired at XJT before I was hired at CAL on a CAL flight. They fixed that with the new pass travel,
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