kc135driver

Hadn't heard of that but it is awesome!

I suppose there should be a 3rd category for us, not recalled (even though that is what the UAL MEC first called it) or new hire (even though the company loves to refer to us as such even though we are specifically not on probation).

At this point, IMHO, the degree of separation between the two is so slight, just really a seniority issue, oh and one wears blue pants and the other black. Other than that, it is the same contract, paid by the same company, under the same operating certificate, so on and so on.

Bests-

KC

kc135driver

To turn the table, what makes anybody think they are going recall to the UAL side prior to SLI? Most of the labor heavy provisions of the new contract don't kick in until the Fall, after SLI. Latest I heard is CAL classes are filling up pretty quickly with UAL furloughees. I personally know many who have finally decided to go back.

It will be interesting to see how the communications for classes changes as we get close. At some point the switch is going to flip and somebody who thought they were going to be a "new hire" for a day/week/month is suddenly a "recall". Also, post SLI, could the company say that all furloughees are now voluntarily as they already "recalled" all of us via CAL? Now a lawyer, but I know that legal semantics can change.

KC

JMD16

Think would could drive recalls prior to SLI is that UA needs 320 FOs and most of the 200 vol furloughed pilots are more senior than that and are recalled to seat/fleet/base if they can still hold it. It would make sense to get thru those 200 to be able to start filling the 320 slots and get some 320 bodies trained before summer flying.

APC225

Yea, it'll all be water under the bridge soon.

APC225

KC, I believe this is already the case on at least one issue,

JCBA LOA 25.2 s/United pilots who were offered employment at s/Continental in accordance with paragraph 7.B of the Transition and Process Agreement dated September 26, 2010 will not be considered to be on Involuntary Furlough for purposes of Section 5-B-1-a-(1)* of the Agreement.

*JCBA 5-B-1-a-(1) When any Pilot is on Involuntary Furlough, the LPA for a Category shall be no less than seventy-four (74) Line Credit hours and no greater than eighty-two (82) Line Credit hours, set to the nearest minute.

If they want to go down that path, this may be the trailhead.

SONORA PASS

KC,

This would violate the contract in a huge way.

Recalls rights in seniority are required by the old L-UAL CBA and are also contained in the new JCBA. The very first recalls from our furlough list will be headed back to their WB captain slots. Longevity, sick leave, vacation, pay, and equipment are all issues that will no longer be circumvented by offering L-UAL Pilots "jobs" at CAL. They are contractually required items that will govern the process from day 1 post SLI.

The moment the SLI completes, there will be NO NEW HIRE CLASSES until EVERY L-UAL pilot in seniority order is offered a recall. THEN any new hire class will be just that... REAL new hires.

While it is true many may keep the spots they have at CAL, it will come with full recall rights.

To be perfectly clear, NONE of the L-UAL pilots working at CAL have been offered a recall.

SP

kc135driver

Sonara-

I don't disagree with you, I'm a double furloughee going to CAL soon so I understand how it works.

However, my point is that classes are being filled 2 months out right now with furloughed UAL types. CAL classes are being FILLED first come/first serve right now, not by seniority. Its possible they could not offer any classes over the summer around the time of SLI/OMD so there is a clean break between "hiring" and "recalling".

Its also possible that it might not be so orderly initially (the actual recall process). If this happens, strict seniority order recalls may not happen unless the whole future class roster is dismantled and rebuilt (which is probably what should happen). Who knows. Just speculating on a Wednesday night.

Again, the context is that I don't think any recalls will happen pre-SLI.

KC

northshore973

kc135, just curious but why are you accepting the position at cal and not waiting until a true recall ? Just trying to get a feel for what everyone might be thinking. Are a lot of guys gonna get in now so off the street guys dont fill recall slots ?

thor2j

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APC225

Dang! Just missed it.