JCBA does anybody else find it criminal.....
12-26-2012, 08:47 PM
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LAX Pilot, I hope so and am rooting for all UAL pilots in that endeavor. But if I look at some of the things UAL has squawked about CAL's method of DIY CBT training and the Phase 1-5's training-by-manual-change ("it's not safe we don't do it that way at UAL") I'm not hopeful. 6500 UAL pilots are doing CBTs for an hour of pay and have met all the Phase training deadlines without a complaint.
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12-26-2012, 10:11 PM
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One day in the future.....
You're a EWR based pilot who lives in ORD, scheduled to dh the next day back to EWR after arriving in IAH/CLE/SFO/etc.... Instead of wasting the night in another hotel, you've checked and seen that the last flight to ORD leaves a half hour after you get in. You call earlier in the day hoping Mother Scheduling will let you go but they give you the brushoff and tell you to call back later.
You get in, grab your bags and start hustling to the ORD gate, calling scheduling as you go. Except there's thunderstorms somewhere and you're on hold as the system melts down.
Now you're standing at the gate for your flight home, looking forward to seeing your husband/wife/kids for the first time in a week, watching other non-revs get on board. The gate agent looks at you, says I have to clear the jumpseat, am I giving it to you or the new-hire Express pilot next in line? You're still on hold so you ask yourself if you're feeling lucky or not.
You decide to be a good pilot, give the jumpseat to the Express pilot and his backpack, and as the jetway pulls away from the plane scheduling answers and releases you. Or tells you to sit airport standby. Or assigns you an out of base reserve day. Or....
Welcome to the new United. You're going to love the changes.
You're a EWR based pilot who lives in ORD, scheduled to dh the next day back to EWR after arriving in IAH/CLE/SFO/etc.... Instead of wasting the night in another hotel, you've checked and seen that the last flight to ORD leaves a half hour after you get in. You call earlier in the day hoping Mother Scheduling will let you go but they give you the brushoff and tell you to call back later.
You get in, grab your bags and start hustling to the ORD gate, calling scheduling as you go. Except there's thunderstorms somewhere and you're on hold as the system melts down.
Now you're standing at the gate for your flight home, looking forward to seeing your husband/wife/kids for the first time in a week, watching other non-revs get on board. The gate agent looks at you, says I have to clear the jumpseat, am I giving it to you or the new-hire Express pilot next in line? You're still on hold so you ask yourself if you're feeling lucky or not.
You decide to be a good pilot, give the jumpseat to the Express pilot and his backpack, and as the jetway pulls away from the plane scheduling answers and releases you. Or tells you to sit airport standby. Or assigns you an out of base reserve day. Or....
Welcome to the new United. You're going to love the changes.
12-27-2012, 05:35 AM
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One day in the future.....
You're a EWR based pilot who lives in ORD, scheduled to dh the next day back to EWR after arriving in IAH/CLE/SFO/etc.... Instead of wasting the night in another hotel, you've checked and seen that the last flight to ORD leaves a half hour after you get in. You call earlier in the day hoping Mother Scheduling will let you go but they give you the brushoff and tell you to call back later.
You get in, grab your bags and start hustling to the ORD gate, calling scheduling as you go. Except there's thunderstorms somewhere and you're on hold as the system melts down.
Now you're standing at the gate for your flight home, looking forward to seeing your husband/wife/kids for the first time in a week, watching other non-revs get on board. The gate agent looks at you, says I have to clear the jumpseat, am I giving it to you or the new-hire Express pilot next in line? You're still on hold so you ask yourself if you're feeling lucky or not.
You decide to be a good pilot, give the jumpseat to the Express pilot and his backpack, and as the jetway pulls away from the plane scheduling answers and releases you. Or tells you to sit airport standby. Or assigns you an out of base reserve day. Or....
Welcome to the new United. You're going to love the changes.
You're a EWR based pilot who lives in ORD, scheduled to dh the next day back to EWR after arriving in IAH/CLE/SFO/etc.... Instead of wasting the night in another hotel, you've checked and seen that the last flight to ORD leaves a half hour after you get in. You call earlier in the day hoping Mother Scheduling will let you go but they give you the brushoff and tell you to call back later.
You get in, grab your bags and start hustling to the ORD gate, calling scheduling as you go. Except there's thunderstorms somewhere and you're on hold as the system melts down.
Now you're standing at the gate for your flight home, looking forward to seeing your husband/wife/kids for the first time in a week, watching other non-revs get on board. The gate agent looks at you, says I have to clear the jumpseat, am I giving it to you or the new-hire Express pilot next in line? You're still on hold so you ask yourself if you're feeling lucky or not.
You decide to be a good pilot, give the jumpseat to the Express pilot and his backpack, and as the jetway pulls away from the plane scheduling answers and releases you. Or tells you to sit airport standby. Or assigns you an out of base reserve day. Or....
Welcome to the new United. You're going to love the changes.
You lost me at the part where I would actually call the crew desk
12-27-2012, 06:05 AM
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Agreed. I would not have called. If I was a line holder, I'd have called to be released to DH home. That ticket would've been positive space. If I'm a line holder, they can't have me sit reserve. They must schedule me to operate a flight or release me. If I'm on reserve, I must have one more day of reserve or a movable day they rolled. Otherwise, this scenario wouldn't have happened to me. You have to know the contract. I don't sit reserve out of base. Because I don't concur.
From Contract 02.
K. A Reserve Pilot may be utilized to cover a flying assignment in another Base; however, a Reserve may not be required to sit Reserve in another Base without his concurrence. Any Deadhead time associated with such an assignment to another Base will be credited toward the pilot’s pay and credit value.
From Contract 02.
K. A Reserve Pilot may be utilized to cover a flying assignment in another Base; however, a Reserve may not be required to sit Reserve in another Base without his concurrence. Any Deadhead time associated with such an assignment to another Base will be credited toward the pilot’s pay and credit value.
12-27-2012, 06:37 AM
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You lost me at the part where you would actually know the contract.
If you want to take the earlier flight you are required to call the crew desk. The DH is a part of your assignment whether you're operating it or not. We hear a great deal about "know the contract, fly the contract." Well, this is your contract now. If a CPO shows up during boarding--a legal means of notification--to tell you that you're now operating the flight instead of DHing, you are AWOL, out of position, as far they're concerned, because you are not present for an assignment that you bid, were awarded, checked in for and agreed to fly.
If you want to take the earlier flight you are required to call the crew desk. The DH is a part of your assignment whether you're operating it or not. We hear a great deal about "know the contract, fly the contract." Well, this is your contract now. If a CPO shows up during boarding--a legal means of notification--to tell you that you're now operating the flight instead of DHing, you are AWOL, out of position, as far they're concerned, because you are not present for an assignment that you bid, were awarded, checked in for and agreed to fly.
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12-27-2012, 06:40 AM
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Agreed. I would not have called. If I was a line holder, I'd have called to be released to DH home. That ticket would've been positive space. If I'm a line holder, they can't have me sit reserve. They must schedule me to operate a flight or release me. If I'm on reserve, I must have one more day of reserve or a movable day they rolled. Otherwise, this scenario wouldn't have happened to me. You have to know the contract. I don't sit reserve out of base. Because I don't concur.
From Contract 02.
K. A Reserve Pilot may be utilized to cover a flying assignment in another Base; however, a Reserve may not be required to sit Reserve in another Base without his concurrence. Any Deadhead time associated with such an assignment to another Base will be credited toward the pilot’s pay and credit value.
From Contract 02.
K. A Reserve Pilot may be utilized to cover a flying assignment in another Base; however, a Reserve may not be required to sit Reserve in another Base without his concurrence. Any Deadhead time associated with such an assignment to another Base will be credited toward the pilot’s pay and credit value.
The positive space DH is for a flight 3 hours away. Storms, traffic delays or whatever are creeping into the system and that DH shows delayed. You're done with your flying except for the DH. You see a flight leaving earlier. To take that earlier flight you contractually must call scheduling now and ASK for permission at which point they can keep you 3 hours, until 1900, or reassign you. That's the contract that has been voted in. Sounds like reserve to me.
12-27-2012, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by LCAL dude
You decide to be a good pilot, give the jumpseat to the Express pilot and his backpack....
12-27-2012, 07:14 AM
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LAX Pilot, I hope so and am rooting for all UAL pilots in that endeavor. But if I look at some of the things UAL has squawked about CAL's method of DIY CBT training and the Phase 1-5's training-by-manual-change ("it's not safe we don't do it that way at UAL") I'm not hopeful. 6500 UAL pilots are doing CBTs for an hour of pay and have met all the Phase training deadlines without a complaint.
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