CousinEddie

And how long did C2000 last? I am curious, since you are so vocal about how poor of a contract this is, how do we overcome the realities of the industry we live in? Are we supposed to stick our heads in the sand and pretend the following isn't market reality?


Even with baggage fees, the ‘miracle of flight’ remains a real bargain; average 2011 airfare was 40% below 1980 average | AEIdeas

Mitch Rapp05

Oh, no another manager masquerading as a pilot. Quit trying to figure out management's job and set your price. They get paid the big bucks to find the money. Stop selling yourself and fellow pilots short by playing armchair CFO.

The Ewr SEC T. (LCAL) was a really good numbers guy. He (and many others) costed the doubling of the CAL contract at just around $8-10 per passenger. The UAL 2000 contract didn't send that airline into
bankruptcy. Poor and incompetent management did.

Airhoss

There is NO WAY you've got a claim on that one. Half of our flight attendants wear depends and the other half are residing in assisted living. So you can just forget about trying to claim older F/A's RIGHT NOW, loser..

CousinEddie

I would like to see their analysis. Can you post it here? By the way, when you are shopping for something online, do you pay even $10 more when there is no compelling reason to? Have you ever noticed that fare increases in this industry fail over just a few dollars? What do you think would happen if management "set their price" as you say above the industry average system wide? It sounds like you should have gone into management and made the big bucks since you apparently think that pricing can be dictated. Did you notice the huge drop on the chart right after C2000 was signed? The pilots didn't cause that, certainly no legacy Management wanted that, so why do you think it happened? And here we are a dozen years later still well below even those levels with fuel that is three times as much as it was then.

Got to go fly now. We are running over 4 hours late and will be in by 1 AM. I bet we will have a plane full of people eager to pay a premium to fly us next time.

sailingfun

Delta once raised their fares 10 dollars a ticket and decided they were going to stick with the fare increase even though other airlines did not follow. They finally threw in the towel after two weeks and losing more then 20 million in revenue they never recovered. To paraphrase the head of marketing, "The phone stopped ringing".

johnso29

Well now we at DAL are going to have to jump in on this one!!!

EWR73FO

So they moved on to the next idea, bought a refinery, and saved $175M.

Regularguy

"So they moved on to the next idea, bought a refinery, and saved $175M"

And now they are embracing Virgin Atlantic, the ultimate outsourcing and non-union pilot group.

Funny how we horses look over the fence at what the others are eating.

Surprise

Happily, I think my company loses this game.

CleCapt

For MOST on furlough ( not the SEVERAL ), simply by definition, you were at the bottom of the Ual seniority list. So your RIGHTEOUS posiition if you were recalled back to the Ual side would continue to be bottom of the list. I cannot imagine anyone if their right mind would stay out on the street (imply jobless) instead of taking the REVILED job on the cal side, at wide body captain rate, simply because they don't want to sit in the right seat of a 737. Yet that is what you would like us to believe.

At some point everyone on furlough will be given a date at which you must return, presumably after sli is done. Only then will we know how many actually intend to come back.

I do not see how Ual furloughs can be considered part of the pilot group when you don't know how many plan to return. You simply cannot get credit for a pilot that has no intention of ever returning to the new Ual.

An argument COULD be made that everyone that was going to come back, has already taken a job on the cal side. I don't think that is true, but what are you waiting for.

The SEVERAL must have a pretty good thing going on or they would also be back, earning their righteous pay.

You guys can't have it both ways. Ual wanted this merger not cal. You guys voted for this TA.

So do what the Ual pilots do on this forum. Pick apart this post and ignore the main issues.

No one on this board will have ANY input on the sli. Arguments will be made on each side, and in the end we will all be ****ed off with the result. The right size argument is getting old and holds no water. Cal got rid of a ton of planes too. IF you insist on holding on to that thought then an equally strong argument COULD be made that cal didn't order any more widebodies so as to right size for the merger. Saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true.

Many of the posts here are the act of a desperate pilot group grasping at straws to seemingly bolster their position among their peers.

Flame away