Once the dust settles...
12-17-2012, 04:39 PM
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Once the dust settles...
Once the dust settles and most of the hand wringing dies down on this contract, one thing you should not allow to get lost in the shuffle is; Who is the NMB and what is their real power?
There has been a lot of discussion on what they will or will not allow or how they would judge this or that, a lot of which is pure unadulterated balderdash. They can and will be anything you let them be, through acquiescence, ignorance or assumption.
I believe you would be wise to form a committee or some such, while you have the time, to look into their mission and their actual powers to separate the myths from the facts. Granted, over time these have been heavily influenced by political evolution but this is a contamination of the process not a definition.
This of course is something the International should be doing but …
Next time you sit down to negotiate a contract you won’t have each other to blame. Labor negotiation is by definition an adversarial relationship and you will, at least fall short, if you don’t know and understand your “adversaries”.
Disclaimer: I am retired. (and old)
and by the way Congratulations on having a "joint" contract.
There has been a lot of discussion on what they will or will not allow or how they would judge this or that, a lot of which is pure unadulterated balderdash. They can and will be anything you let them be, through acquiescence, ignorance or assumption.
I believe you would be wise to form a committee or some such, while you have the time, to look into their mission and their actual powers to separate the myths from the facts. Granted, over time these have been heavily influenced by political evolution but this is a contamination of the process not a definition.
This of course is something the International should be doing but …
Next time you sit down to negotiate a contract you won’t have each other to blame. Labor negotiation is by definition an adversarial relationship and you will, at least fall short, if you don’t know and understand your “adversaries”.
Disclaimer: I am retired. (and old)
and by the way Congratulations on having a "joint" contract.
12-17-2012, 05:23 PM
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Well,
If you're gonna throw around the "balderdash" word, then I would agree, you hail from a different generation. Much we can learn from the grey beards, much indeed.
Agreed, all negotiations fall short.
There must be things that fall off our want list, but we need to maintain integrity on our must have list.
The blame game is not something unique to aviation, but it is peculiar to divide and conquer modalities of negotiation and in particular managers who thrived during deregulation. Many splinter groups at the table both directly and indirectly; and management loves to play one side against the other.
I wonder if you are former big shot at ALPA, or former big shot at nmb. Gotta think back as to who used the "balderdash" comment allot.
The NMB changes hands allot, sort of like hill 51 in the Korean conflict. Not sure I would want to plant a flag in the NMB and claim I own them, or I know what/where their allegences lie on a particular day. Different story if my cousin Vinny was the NMB Chair, but alas I am not that fortunate.
If you're gonna throw around the "balderdash" word, then I would agree, you hail from a different generation. Much we can learn from the grey beards, much indeed.
Agreed, all negotiations fall short.
There must be things that fall off our want list, but we need to maintain integrity on our must have list.
The blame game is not something unique to aviation, but it is peculiar to divide and conquer modalities of negotiation and in particular managers who thrived during deregulation. Many splinter groups at the table both directly and indirectly; and management loves to play one side against the other.
I wonder if you are former big shot at ALPA, or former big shot at nmb. Gotta think back as to who used the "balderdash" comment allot.
The NMB changes hands allot, sort of like hill 51 in the Korean conflict. Not sure I would want to plant a flag in the NMB and claim I own them, or I know what/where their allegences lie on a particular day. Different story if my cousin Vinny was the NMB Chair, but alas I am not that fortunate.
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