Regularguy

The 1986 pilots start at about 1000.

Of course there are few pilots out of DOH order due to the various Lorenzo purchases. but in general an sUAL pilot would still be very senior on the CAL list.

Regularguy

Otto

"Low is "no". "

We got your vote, OK.

SpecialTracking

I always thought a doh based seniority list would benefit the bottom third of the sual list, while a relative seniority construct would favor the top third to quarter at sual.

untied

Tons of leverage.

UAL is finally ready to complete the merger. They need a combined pilot group to do it.

They can't move forward without us, so there's your answer.

EWR73FO

Cliff notes, ta review, 1 roadshow, forums, and numerous conversations on both sides of the aisle. I could have been a yes voter had this ta met the expectations that we were told to expect. So 5 chances later on the ta, still no.

Regularguy

Special

DOH would greatly benefit sUAL jr list pilots. Little effect either way for sr pilots.

LAX Pilot

The difference now is that if this TA passes, SLI is going to happen. The longer the TA takes, the longer SLI takes to happen.

We all know that a NO vote isn't going to have any meaningful effect on getting an improved contract in a meaningful amount of time.

When a guy says that he's voting no because of "pay banding", that's like saying, "I'm voting no until there is no more reserve system".

Its not going to happen.

We will all find out Saturday night.....

syd111

How is it that you know that a no vote will have no meaningful effect on getting an improved contract.

When you say we I think you mean "you"

Probe

A week or so ago I tried to figure out how the affect of an SLI would be with different methodologies, mostly for me. I am about 2/3's the way down the active UAL list.

For the top 1/3 at both airlines, it really doesn't matter what they do. Most of the top pilots will end up staying about where they are, doing the same flying, and they will retire in 5 years. Doesn't matter how the SLI is done. Maybe a few of these CAL guys can get on a widebody seat at UAL, but it won't be a huge number.

The middle third probably won't change much either. The top ones are almost in the top 1/3. On a sliding scale, as you move down, there is more and more possibility of one side gaining advantage over another. I am at the bottom of this third. No matter how I tried to do an SLI, from best case to worse for me, it only came out to a difference of +/- 7% of the combined list. 700 seats is only 1.75 years of pilots retiring. Not enough for a lawsuit. Again, depending on how it is done, maybe some CAL guys get on a bigger airplane.

So the top 2/3 of both pilot groups won't have much at risk.

The bottom 1/3 of both is where the action will be.

I hope an arbitrator does it. If not there will be lawsuits etc forever. Will JP sell out his junior guys to be a 747 Captain? Will JH sell out our junior guys to fence off our widebodies?

I just hope an arbitrator does it, and they just get it over with.

Good luck to us all.

IMHO

13n144e

Then I guess that the big stink over pay banding was really not such a big deal after all. DOH would be the nicest gift the CAL scabs have gotten since Age 65.