Coto Pilot

As of this evening, ALPA and the company have been contacted by the Attorney's representing the furloughed United pilots. A demand was made to remove Paragraph 4 of LOA 25 before voting begins. The two MEC's can choose to do this on their own, Lee Moak can do it, The ALPA Executive Board can invoke Article XIX and remove the CAL MEC for cause, or a court can do it. Wouldn't it be nice in a show of solidarity if all pilots at both CAL and UAL backed the furloughed pilots that have endured so much? If you haven't already, please visit

https://www.wepay.com/xwuxw9e/donations/loa-25-lawsuit

UAL SUX

Good work!

kc135driver

Done, ALPA is not going to fix this, we must.

47dog

ALPA showed its true colors selling out the TWA pilots.

Mike,

Just under 30 years ALPA and disgusted

jsled

If this TA passes, our furloughees working at CAL will receive a minimum of 34% and a maximum of 348% pay increase. This is a fact. (assuming we have 1st through 7th year pay furloughees on CAL property). Lawsuits take a long time. I will support the furloughees by supporting this legal battle AND voting yes for the TA.

Sled

Coto Pilot

Not sure where you are getting your info Sled, but most furloughees that accepted the job at CAL are making between $89 and $99/hour and will go to $110 to $114 per hour depending on which 737 they are flying.

jsled

I got my info from published pay charts in our contract. A first year pay furloughee hired and furloughed in 2008 makes $33/hr at CAL. A 7th year pay furloughee makes $86/hr at CAL if he was furloughed off the Bus. The TA rate is $114.78 for the majority of the 737s on property.

Sled

UAL SUX

That's exactly right - in fact that is my exact situation.
And I have no interest in this contract whatsoever.

jsled

I'm sorry Coto and Sux, I posted bad info. A 1st year pay furloughee will indeed go from $33 to $115 per hour because all furloughees will start at a minimum of 5th year pay in the TA. However, a 7th year pay furloughee will receive 7th year pay, or $121/hr on the 737-800/900. That's a 40% pay raise. Nobody LOSES longevity.

from the FAQs:

Question: Why does it look like I'll be losing longevity when the Furloughed pilot calculations are finished?

Answer: You are mistaken. No furloughed pilot will lose any longevity, and per LOA 25 longevity for pay can only be INCREASED. Furloughed pilots with longevity for pay of less than 4.7 years will be immediately brought up to 4.7 years at Date of Signing. This means that if they are currently flying at Continental, or if they accept an offer to fly at Continental before the Operational Merger Date (OMD) they will use the year 5 column on the pay charts to determine their pay. After the Seniority List Integration, legacy United Furloughed pilots will have a second adjustment to their longevity for pay based on their position on the Integrated Seniority List, and like the first adjustment, a furloughed pilot’s longevity for pay can only be increased in the second step and will never be decreased. Despite rumors to the contrary, there is no provision in our current contract for furloughed pilots to gain longevity for pay for time spent on furlough; the two-step provisions to gain longevity credit for pay for time on furlough are only included in the Tentative Agreement.

cadetdrivr

FWIW, that's not the underlaying argument here.

The issue is pre-9/11 hires at both UAL and CAL that were previously furloughed. Per the TA all pilots receive full longevity for pay but because of the LOA 25 carveout only for UAL pilots, a CAL pilot receives full longevity credit while a UAL pilot does not. That is the issue here.