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11-13-2012, 08:41 AM
#62
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 786
Oops, did I say that out loud? but yes some of that group. What may be 5% of any other group seems to be 30% of this demoG... They are however maturing as many are now getting married and having kids, taking care of some responsibilities etc... but there are more than a few that still live with mom and dad...
11-13-2012, 08:44 AM
#63
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
11-13-2012, 08:49 AM
#64
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 33
Gypsy is correct. Got a call from the LAX LEC chair and he amended his statement.
the longetivity credit is limited, not actual longevity. They use the date of 5/6/08, so basically 4 1/2 years of longevity. You can be credited longevity if you have less than 4 1/2 years actual, but only up to 4 1/2 years. If you have more than 4 1/2 years actual longevity (say you have 6), then it looks like we will not get any credit. Nowhere do I see that we will be limited in actual pay longevity to 4 1/2 years. You get what you have.
In addition, it appears this credit limit last only until an SLI is in place, when additional longevity credit can be given beyond that given at Date of Signing, "...provided further that the application of such additional credit does not result in any s-United pilot having a pay longevity date that is earlier than the pay longevity date of the next most senior s-Continental pilot."
the longetivity credit is limited, not actual longevity. They use the date of 5/6/08, so basically 4 1/2 years of longevity. You can be credited longevity if you have less than 4 1/2 years actual, but only up to 4 1/2 years. If you have more than 4 1/2 years actual longevity (say you have 6), then it looks like we will not get any credit. Nowhere do I see that we will be limited in actual pay longevity to 4 1/2 years. You get what you have.
In addition, it appears this credit limit last only until an SLI is in place, when additional longevity credit can be given beyond that given at Date of Signing, "...provided further that the application of such additional credit does not result in any s-United pilot having a pay longevity date that is earlier than the pay longevity date of the next most senior s-Continental pilot."
Gypsy
11-13-2012, 09:12 AM
#65
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 403
The signing bonus on the CAL side is in essence a B scale distribution. If you were the highest paid before this JCBA, you will get the biggest bonus. If you were the lowest paid, you will essentially get a POS bonus.
Another sell out of the newest guys on the CAL payscale. You'll probably see widebody CAs get $80,000 while FOs that were making $30-50K during this time period get around $5-10K.
Grats scab WB CAs.
Another sell out of the newest guys on the CAL payscale. You'll probably see widebody CAs get $80,000 while FOs that were making $30-50K during this time period get around $5-10K.
Grats scab WB CAs.
11-13-2012, 09:18 AM
#66
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: 737 Captain
Posts: 874
It mentions in the contract about one movable reserve day, but then says global reserve has 6 immovable golden days off. What is the difference between basic reserve and global reserve? And the difference between one movable reserve day and 6 immovable golden days off? Are these two different types of reserve? Thanks.
11-13-2012, 09:53 AM
#67
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2009
Position: The GF of FUPM
Posts: 3,073
There are so many concessions and gotchas contained in this POC, that it ought to be a slam dunk NO vote for MOST of us. I'm astonished at how bad this thing is.
Sled, as for the "gets" in this TA, I submit that you're picking corn out of something warm and steamy. I don't even know what to say, so I won't waste any time with your opinion. Have a great career.
As for the TA
The pay is marginal.
The scope is a show stopper. Ever see an RJ in SWA colors?
The retro is completely unacceptable and an insult.
The reserve rules SUCK. 2.5 hours? In DC? In NYC? In SFO? LAX?
Involuntary JM - nope. They need more bodies? Hire them.
Increased Medical and Dental costs. Concessionary.
The training pay is a joke.
VACA pay is concessionary.
Add on reassignments
etc
etc
etc
Its up to US now that the JNC has failed us so completely. Get out the NO vote.
7B in unrestricted cash. The only thing "industry leading" was the hubris with which this was unveiled.
Sled, as for the "gets" in this TA, I submit that you're picking corn out of something warm and steamy. I don't even know what to say, so I won't waste any time with your opinion. Have a great career.
As for the TA
The pay is marginal.
The scope is a show stopper. Ever see an RJ in SWA colors?
The retro is completely unacceptable and an insult.
The reserve rules SUCK. 2.5 hours? In DC? In NYC? In SFO? LAX?
Involuntary JM - nope. They need more bodies? Hire them.
Increased Medical and Dental costs. Concessionary.
The training pay is a joke.
VACA pay is concessionary.
Add on reassignments
etc
etc
etc
Its up to US now that the JNC has failed us so completely. Get out the NO vote.
7B in unrestricted cash. The only thing "industry leading" was the hubris with which this was unveiled.
11-13-2012, 10:57 AM
#68
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 20
Losing full longevity is one thing, but this is utter BS to actually go backwards. I had to have this clarified by the LAX LEC Chairman to see if I got this right. According to the TA, after SLI integration, we cannot have a Pay Longevity that is longer than the next sCAL pilot above us (which will be a 2008 CAL hire for most of us). I have over 6 years of Pay Longevity and will now fall to 4 years according to the LAX LEC Chair. How the hell can that happen? He says the CAL MEC voted for no full restoration, of course, but how can they legally set us backwards on Pay longevity. Seniority is one thing, such as getting stapled to the bottom, but to lose time accrued for Pay is a first for any pilot group. There has to be a mechanism to prevent this or is that called a 'lawsuit'?
11-13-2012, 11:05 AM
#69
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 20
You have no clue what a pilot is worth! You should look around the world and at other domestic carriers. To settle for those rates even with the 16% is a slap in the face. You've been brainwashed! I even hate to say it, but the flight attendants at my previous employer (corp) make more than that!
11-13-2012, 11:33 AM
#70
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: PIC Challenger 605
Posts: 454
The signing bonus on the CAL side is in essence a B scale distribution. If you were the highest paid before this JCBA, you will get the biggest bonus. If you were the lowest paid, you will essentially get a POS bonus.
Another sell out of the newest guys on the CAL payscale. You'll probably see widebody CAs get $80,000 while FOs that were making $30-50K during this time period get around $5-10K.
Grats scab WB CAs.
Another sell out of the newest guys on the CAL payscale. You'll probably see widebody CAs get $80,000 while FOs that were making $30-50K during this time period get around $5-10K.
Grats scab WB CAs.
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