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11-14-2012, 09:55 AM
#141
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: 756 Left Side
Posts: 1,629
So who is this Motch?
Right off the internet:
Hired in 2007 (five years seniority) First Officer at Continental Airlines
Captain, EMB145 at Trans States Airlines
Yes you have identified yourself.
Dude the idea of this forum is to remain anonymous and show some respect to your fellow posters.
This is your first contract at LCAL, calm down there are many more to go in your career and you never get everything (and sometimes nothing of what) you may want.
Right off the internet:
Hired in 2007 (five years seniority) First Officer at Continental Airlines
Captain, EMB145 at Trans States Airlines
Yes you have identified yourself.
Dude the idea of this forum is to remain anonymous and show some respect to your fellow posters.
This is your first contract at LCAL, calm down there are many more to go in your career and you never get everything (and sometimes nothing of what) you may want.
As far as "show some respect".. I have never just come on here and slammed anyone. Problem with "anonymous" posters is they can post anything and everything without fact checking.
Case in point, JSLED posted that Reserves now get 12:45 between rest periods.
I pointed out, exactly in the TA..where we do not.
Alot of guys are going to start coming out of the word work to show the "good" things of the TA (and yes, there are a few nuggets in there).. but posting false info does no one but the YES crowd any good.
Do I expect everything I want in this TA. NOPE.. I have already posted that I expected the Scope section to be a concession. But ALPA National has shown the way>.
Our Union requested that we tell them what we wanted (back in 08). They have also done Wilson Polling a few times. That became our Proposal. Lot of stuff I liked, a few I didn't.
But now, what I see is either concessions or status quo with a few gains.
Right now, someone is starting a webpage to dissect the TA. Once it's up, it will be easy to see the differences between UAL, CAL, JCBA and DAL.
Motch
PS> The ALPA Comparison document does a great job of showing us being equal and higher than Delta. Problem is, they are using Oct 2012 as their starting point and don't show yearly raise comparison.
Looking at it... it's easy to say "Hay, we're gonna be paid more than Delta"!
Slow down. We trail Delta until 2015.. and finally exceed them in 2016. Of course, they will probably have a new contract then.
And our rates go till 2017.. meaning we will probably be working under this TA (if it passes) and rates in 2018-2019.
Last edited by UAL T38 Phlyer; 11-14-2012 at 04:19 PM. Reason: Security
11-14-2012, 10:05 AM
#142
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,750
11-14-2012, 10:12 AM
#143
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,750
Actually, there should be a break or comma between SUNY Farmingdale and Aviation High School.
As far as "show some respect".. I have never just come on here and slammed anyone. Problem with "anonymous" posters is they can post anything and everything without fact checking.
Case in point, JSLED posted that Reserves now get 12:45 between rest periods.
I pointed out, exactly in the TA..where we do not.
Alot of guys are going to start coming out of the word work to show the "good" things of the TA (and yes, there are a few nuggets in there).. but posting false info does no one but the YES crowd any good.
Do I expect everything I want in this TA. NOPE.. I have already posted that I expected the Scope section to be a concession. But ALPA National has shown the way>.
Our Union requested that we tell them what we wanted (back in 08). They have also done Wilson Polling a few times. That became our Proposal. Lot of stuff I liked, a few I didn't.
But now, what I see is either concessions or status quo with a few gains.
Right now, someone is starting a webpage to dissect the TA. Once it's up, it will be easy to see the differences between UAL, CAL, JCBA and DAL.
Motch
PS> The ALPA Comparison document does a great job of showing us being equal and higher than Delta. Problem is, they are using Oct 2012 as their starting point and don't show yearly raise comparison.
Looking at it... it's easy to say "Hay, we're gonna be paid more than Delta"!
Slow down. We trail Delta until 2015.. and finally exceed them in 2016. Of course, they will probably have a new contract then.
And our rates go till 2017.. meaning we will probably be working under this TA (if it passes) and rates in 2018-2019.
As far as "show some respect".. I have never just come on here and slammed anyone. Problem with "anonymous" posters is they can post anything and everything without fact checking.
Case in point, JSLED posted that Reserves now get 12:45 between rest periods.
I pointed out, exactly in the TA..where we do not.
Alot of guys are going to start coming out of the word work to show the "good" things of the TA (and yes, there are a few nuggets in there).. but posting false info does no one but the YES crowd any good.
Do I expect everything I want in this TA. NOPE.. I have already posted that I expected the Scope section to be a concession. But ALPA National has shown the way>.
Our Union requested that we tell them what we wanted (back in 08). They have also done Wilson Polling a few times. That became our Proposal. Lot of stuff I liked, a few I didn't.
But now, what I see is either concessions or status quo with a few gains.
Right now, someone is starting a webpage to dissect the TA. Once it's up, it will be easy to see the differences between UAL, CAL, JCBA and DAL.
Motch
PS> The ALPA Comparison document does a great job of showing us being equal and higher than Delta. Problem is, they are using Oct 2012 as their starting point and don't show yearly raise comparison.
Looking at it... it's easy to say "Hay, we're gonna be paid more than Delta"!
Slow down. We trail Delta until 2015.. and finally exceed them in 2016. Of course, they will probably have a new contract then.
And our rates go till 2017.. meaning we will probably be working under this TA (if it passes) and rates in 2018-2019.
Sled
11-14-2012, 10:16 AM
#144
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
So who is this Motch?
Right off the internet:
Hired in 2007 (five years seniority) First Officer at Continental Airlines
Captain, EMB145 at Trans States Airlines
Yes you have identified yourself.
Dude the idea of this forum is to remain anonymous and show some respect to your fellow posters.
This is your first contract at LCAL, calm down there are many more to go in your career and you never get everything (and sometimes nothing of what) you may want.
Right off the internet:
Hired in 2007 (five years seniority) First Officer at Continental Airlines
Captain, EMB145 at Trans States Airlines
Yes you have identified yourself.
Dude the idea of this forum is to remain anonymous and show some respect to your fellow posters.
This is your first contract at LCAL, calm down there are many more to go in your career and you never get everything (and sometimes nothing of what) you may want.
Last edited by UAL T38 Phlyer; 11-14-2012 at 04:19 PM. Reason: Security
11-14-2012, 10:27 AM
#145
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 1,869
11-14-2012, 10:54 AM
#146
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
The DALPAoids were telling us the same thing about our TA. They swore the NMB would park us for a loong time!
11-14-2012, 11:37 AM
#148
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,866
"3-I-5 A Pilot shall be paid on the first (1st) and sixteenth (16th) of the month for the preceding Bid Period. The gross pay on the first (1st) shall be one half (1/2) of his MPG for the preceding Bid Period and the gross pay on the sixteenth (16th) shall be his calculated earnings from the preceding Bid Period less the gross pay received on the first (1st)."
11-14-2012, 12:14 PM
#149
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,750
"3-I-5 A Pilot shall be paid on the first (1st) and sixteenth (16th) of the month for the preceding Bid Period. The gross pay on the first (1st) shall be one half (1/2) of his MPG for the preceding Bid Period and the gross pay on the sixteenth (16th) shall be his calculated earnings from the preceding Bid Period less the gross pay received on the first (1st)."
Sled
11-14-2012, 12:26 PM
#150
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
Posts: 3,655
What about International Codeshare?
Does the TA do anything to address/stop a reattempt of the (luckily) failed attempt by UAL to do a third party international codeshare with Iceland air?? I believe it was MAD to IAD a couple of years back? Could that be reintroduced or is there a fork in it in this TA?
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