The Hard Sell Begins
11-05-2012, 01:04 PM
#51
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For the first 10 of my 13 years flying with UAL, I sat to the immediate right of a 570 or 523 80% of the time. i saw no difference other than the 570 for some reason viewed themselves as heroes. Trust me they are the only ones. Both groups applied for, interviewed for, and accepted a job to fly struck work. They were both hired under the same "duress" for the company, and both groups are demographically the same. Most would have never been hired, by any major airline, under any normal circumstance.
The sob story a couple of these guys wrote a few posts ago? YGTBSM?????? In ten years I never heard this. 27 years after the fact, in their own distorted world in their own minds, they have tried to justify their actions. That is all. They crossed the line. The only difference in the airlines is the training requirements caused them to not fly a revenue flight before the strike was over. They accepted a job to cross the line.
To the CAL side, not to worry too much. During the 90's and beyond, for the most part UAL hired pilots under "non-duress" circumstances. If you fly with most of those in this category, the vast majority are good guys and gals, with various and very diverse backgrounds.
The sob story a couple of these guys wrote a few posts ago? YGTBSM?????? In ten years I never heard this. 27 years after the fact, in their own distorted world in their own minds, they have tried to justify their actions. That is all. They crossed the line. The only difference in the airlines is the training requirements caused them to not fly a revenue flight before the strike was over. They accepted a job to cross the line.
To the CAL side, not to worry too much. During the 90's and beyond, for the most part UAL hired pilots under "non-duress" circumstances. If you fly with most of those in this category, the vast majority are good guys and gals, with various and very diverse backgrounds.
The 570 did something a lot of people would call a gut wretching decision. They were bombarded with threats from UAL management that if they did not cross the line they would never work for United Airlines -EVER. The fact that the 570 walked away is proof that they had a very tough spine and UAL had spineless and discusting Management.
11-05-2012, 02:27 PM
#52
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This 570 discussion about them being Scabs is the worst in revisionist history I've seen in a while. CO pilots--might want to review "On Wooden Wings," by Pat Palazzolo.
This is the worst part of the forum. People stating opinion as facts, and others piling on.
This is the worst part of the forum. People stating opinion as facts, and others piling on.
11-05-2012, 02:40 PM
#53
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Thanks Dave, this thread IS incredibly ill informed on the subject of the 570, for those who want to know the truth here is the link:
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11-06-2012, 10:53 PM
#54
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THis changes everything. I am still good with the rates, but it's going to take a DOUBLE on the retro/bonus. I am hoping the MECs send it back. UAL can afford it. BTW, this means Pt. 117 goes into force as scheduled.....Jan 2014. Four More Years Baby!!
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11-07-2012, 05:13 AM
#55
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Light tweak- TA sent to membership and is rejected 55-45%
Moderate tweak-MEC rejects TA and sends back to JNC
Large tweak-TA sent to membership and is rejected by 90+%
Aside from a weak TA being ratified, what do you think the company wants?
11-07-2012, 07:02 AM
#56
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What does the company want?
United upper management is only concerned about one thing, the bottom line. A strong pilots union effects the bottom line. They want a weak union, one where the rank and file publicly whine and distrust their elected leadership. Management doesn't want a strong union. They don't want a pilot's union that has the strength of its membership, a membership that is truly willing to stand and back each other and trust and follow their elected leadership. That unity will effect that bottom line negatively.
So, that is what the company truly desires from the pilots, a weak pilot's union.
United upper management is only concerned about one thing, the bottom line. A strong pilots union effects the bottom line. They want a weak union, one where the rank and file publicly whine and distrust their elected leadership. Management doesn't want a strong union. They don't want a pilot's union that has the strength of its membership, a membership that is truly willing to stand and back each other and trust and follow their elected leadership. That unity will effect that bottom line negatively.
So, that is what the company truly desires from the pilots, a weak pilot's union.
11-07-2012, 12:20 PM
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So your ok with your worth being DAL -15 year after year on this ta?
11-07-2012, 08:05 PM
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no. How do you figure "-15"?? DOS rates are basically Dal's rates. Dal gets an 8.5% raise Jan 2013, 3% 2014, and 3% 2015. We get an 8.5% raise Jan 2014, 3% 2015, 3% 2016, and 3% 2017. Our B fund is 16% vs 12% at DAL. I can live with that. But the 400M is a fraction of what we are owed in back pay!!...I want more, and it is a one time payment...meaning UCH can pay it from their 7.4b CASH and it's done. Wages are every month for the duration.
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11-07-2012, 10:58 PM
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no. How do you figure "-15"?? DOS rates are basically Dal's rates. Dal gets an 8.5% raise Jan 2013, 3% 2014, and 3% 2015. We get an 8.5% raise Jan 2014, 3% 2015, 3% 2016, and 3% 2017. Our B fund is 16% vs 12% at DAL. I can live with that. But the 400M is a fraction of what we are owed in back pay!!...I want more, and it is a one time payment...meaning UCH can pay it from their 7.4b CASH and it's done. Wages are every month for the duration.
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