Stalled AIP?
09-07-2012, 04:35 AM
#31
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If you stop Calling MX, Op's, etc you just might have a new contract.....
^ Great post...
I've said this for a month+ now.. we could have a JCBA Passed tomorrow with everything we wanted PLUS 10%.. this operation wouldn't be fixed.
At this point, the problems are so far beyond just a pilot JCBA.
I (and most of the pilots I know).. still do our required job. I make the call to maintenance, I make the call to Ops, etc..
With a JCBA, I might make 2 or 3 calls to them.. still isn't going to fix the problem!
Nope, at this point- just along for the ride. I will stay Professional to/for my passengers till the day I retire. I will try and be nice/help out my fellow employees (with the caveat that- you get what you give).
But I don't say that I'm a "United Pilot".. I still say, when asked- "I fly for Continental".
Maybe someday, after a JCBA/SLI & New Management, I'll say "United".. but until then~
Anyway, off my soapbox.
Always
Motch
I've said this for a month+ now.. we could have a JCBA Passed tomorrow with everything we wanted PLUS 10%.. this operation wouldn't be fixed.
At this point, the problems are so far beyond just a pilot JCBA.
I (and most of the pilots I know).. still do our required job. I make the call to maintenance, I make the call to Ops, etc..
With a JCBA, I might make 2 or 3 calls to them.. still isn't going to fix the problem!
Nope, at this point- just along for the ride. I will stay Professional to/for my passengers till the day I retire. I will try and be nice/help out my fellow employees (with the caveat that- you get what you give).
But I don't say that I'm a "United Pilot".. I still say, when asked- "I fly for Continental".
Maybe someday, after a JCBA/SLI & New Management, I'll say "United".. but until then~
Anyway, off my soapbox.
Always
Motch
09-07-2012, 08:11 AM
#32
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I won't (however) keep calling MX every 5 mins. I've done my job, I've called them. Once.
Same with Ops when the FA tells us we are short something.. I make the call.
Then I go back to my required duties...
On the other hand, if I know of a maintenance write up, or of a FA issue.. and don't make my call and the CSR comes to close the door and we say "Not yet, we have an issue"... THEN I can be accused of a 'work action'.
Not gonna do that. Gonna do my job, and do it Professionally. Have to trust that the other departments will do theirs too. Not my job to babysit them~
Motch
09-07-2012, 04:39 PM
#33
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Keep doing your job and enjoy being a suck'er....
The best way to get a TA is Rock the boat until everyone get's sick.
Sorry that's the way it works in big boy airline land....
The best way to get a TA is Rock the boat until everyone get's sick.
Sorry that's the way it works in big boy airline land....
Nope.. it's part of my job. I find something wrong on the walk around, I tell the Capt.. he writes it up in the Log Can and I (or he) makes a call to maintenance. That's my job.
I won't (however) keep calling MX every 5 mins. I've done my job, I've called them. Once.
Same with Ops when the FA tells us we are short something.. I make the call.
Then I go back to my required duties...
On the other hand, if I know of a maintenance write up, or of a FA issue.. and don't make my call and the CSR comes to close the door and we say "Not yet, we have an issue"... THEN I can be accused of a 'work action'.
Not gonna do that. Gonna do my job, and do it Professionally. Have to trust that the other departments will do theirs too. Not my job to babysit them~
Motch
I won't (however) keep calling MX every 5 mins. I've done my job, I've called them. Once.
Same with Ops when the FA tells us we are short something.. I make the call.
Then I go back to my required duties...
On the other hand, if I know of a maintenance write up, or of a FA issue.. and don't make my call and the CSR comes to close the door and we say "Not yet, we have an issue"... THEN I can be accused of a 'work action'.
Not gonna do that. Gonna do my job, and do it Professionally. Have to trust that the other departments will do theirs too. Not my job to babysit them~
Motch
09-07-2012, 06:12 PM
#35
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09-07-2012, 06:23 PM
#36
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Thanks SC..
I've seen his posts somewhere else.. just didn't take the time to research him a few minutes ago when I came in from my run.
What's weird/sad is- I actually support the DPA movement but obviously, they have their share of idiots and tools over there too.
Anyone advocating that you should not do your job, you should not call maintenance when you find write-ups or that you should not call catering when the FA's tell you we are short of bottled water.. must be a real pleasure to fly with.
But no worries. Every group has their 5-10%. I'll just add him to that group.
Funny that a Delta (ex NWA) guy would be commenting on our stalled AIP.
Motch
I've seen his posts somewhere else.. just didn't take the time to research him a few minutes ago when I came in from my run.
What's weird/sad is- I actually support the DPA movement but obviously, they have their share of idiots and tools over there too.
Anyone advocating that you should not do your job, you should not call maintenance when you find write-ups or that you should not call catering when the FA's tell you we are short of bottled water.. must be a real pleasure to fly with.
But no worries. Every group has their 5-10%. I'll just add him to that group.
Funny that a Delta (ex NWA) guy would be commenting on our stalled AIP.
Motch
09-07-2012, 07:53 PM
#37
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In 2005 when NWA enacted their crappy BK contract provisions The NWA Pilot group quickly took action and changes were made in a matter of weeks.....
I still remember the CEO at the time on TV, apologizing for the "Summer of Hell" there wasn't any Screwing around, they could fix the contract or shut it down..But the Pilot were not going to put up with that crap......
Caving over and keeping the operation moving will get you no-where...
I guess you could say No Pain No Gain....Just to keep it simple...
I still remember the CEO at the time on TV, apologizing for the "Summer of Hell" there wasn't any Screwing around, they could fix the contract or shut it down..But the Pilot were not going to put up with that crap......
Caving over and keeping the operation moving will get you no-where...
I guess you could say No Pain No Gain....Just to keep it simple...
09-07-2012, 08:21 PM
#38
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Studly,
Thanks for the lesson, but don't lose sight of the fact that we were, and still are under a court ordered injunction. Our balls are in a toothy vise and your coming here and lecturing us on all things union is a bit brassy don't you think?
Congrats on your situation, but its apples and oranges to ours.
Thanks for the lesson, but don't lose sight of the fact that we were, and still are under a court ordered injunction. Our balls are in a toothy vise and your coming here and lecturing us on all things union is a bit brassy don't you think?
Congrats on your situation, but its apples and oranges to ours.
09-08-2012, 05:55 AM
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Members of Council 57:
It is reported that our Joint Negotiating Committee has completed the entire list of items that were still open in our negotiations, and that language writing for a full fledged Tentative Agreement will continue. Captain Pierce has also reported that said language writing will take "a few more weeks", but that "it could be done sometime in October."
This is all your officers know at this time.
It is reported that our Joint Negotiating Committee has completed the entire list of items that were still open in our negotiations, and that language writing for a full fledged Tentative Agreement will continue. Captain Pierce has also reported that said language writing will take "a few more weeks", but that "it could be done sometime in October."
This is all your officers know at this time.
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