System Bid Out
08-30-2012, 09:50 PM
#22
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This is hostile. I was bumped from 320 captain couple years ago, and all the cal 737 cap positions will fill up before sli.
this is similar to cal sucking life out of eastern.
i hate this #*&% place more and more every day.
STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE
this is similar to cal sucking life out of eastern.
i hate this #*&% place more and more every day.
STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE
08-30-2012, 09:51 PM
#23
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08-30-2012, 09:56 PM
#24
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This is going to stop, this is going to be dealt with.
08-30-2012, 10:40 PM
#25
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This bid is a ********n carrot and nothing more to get 50% +1 to vote in a sh***y TA once it finally gets here. The company is so far ahead of us its laughable. See how many of these vacancies will be here after we sell our scope. Don't buy this company bull ******.
Don't give up scope!
Don't give up scope!
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08-31-2012, 07:11 AM
#27
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Yep me too...While these LCAL guys are dribbling down their legs with excitement over this system bid and new hires we here at LUAL are still having our faces shoved in a big ole bucket of steamy, stagnant, management manure. No movement, no future, no end in sight.
This is going to stop, this is going to be dealt with.
This is going to stop, this is going to be dealt with.
Where were you this Summer? CAL was cancelling flights all Summer due to lack of crews. Training was cancelled so instructors and those who were scheduled for recurrent simulators could cover the schedule. This weekend they are offering 150% pay for anyone on the 756 to pick up a trip. This bid should have come out a year ago so this Summer would have not been what it was but no, nobody wanted to stand up and admit how understaffed CAL was. This Summer, with the aircraft redeployment forcing more 4 and 5 day trips from IAH and EWR, staffing was hurt by a single sick call now wiping out 5 days vs. a 2 day trip a year ago etc.
Is the answer to park these new planes instead of flying them as they are delivered? You guys at L-UAL have vacancy bids each month. We have vacancy bids twice a year. The numbers were high but you have to put them in the proper context.
If I were king, we would already have a SLI and contract so people could plan their lives over the long term. A bid like this on the CAL side only gives pilots expectations that might change dramatically once a SLI is complete. Those new captain positions will not last forever if there is an integration etc. You guys are getting our 737-900ER deliveries next year as 757's are parked. You don't see outrage on the CAL side over that. We hate that the 757's are going to be parked over the next few years as an older 757 beats the heck out of a brand new 737 any day of the week.
Let's not get too emotional over this bid announcement.
08-31-2012, 08:09 AM
#28
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Where were you this Summer?
CAL was cancelling flights all Summer due to lack of crews.
This Summer, with the aircraft redeployment forcing more 4 and 5 day trips from IAH and EWR, staffing was hurt by a single sick call now wiping out 5 days vs. a 2 day trip a year ago etc.
Is the answer to park these new planes instead of flying them as they are delivered?
You guys at L-UAL have vacancy bids each month.
Those new captain positions will not last forever if there is an integration etc.
You guys are getting our 737-900ER deliveries next year as 757's are parked.
Don't tell me not to get emotional. I am righteously ****ed OFF. And every pilot on the LUAL should be equally ****ed off. We are being disregarded, passed over and generally screwed blued and tattooed by your management. This is absolute proof that Jeffy is trying to pull a CAL EAL 2012 here. It's time to fight.
08-31-2012, 08:26 AM
#29
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Desperately being dead headed around the system as they tried to use me to plug holes.
Okay, so you guys were short staffed as well. You get it.
And we are talking about bumping pilots over here!
Wait, I thought you were used to plug holes?
And we have such a surplus they are giving out voluntary leaves on this side.
Now I am really confused....
Until we have a contract the answer is to PARK the whole airline.
I am as ready as you are, trust me....
REALLY?? I haven't noticed that.
Yes, you guys add positions a little at a time on a monthly basis. Buddy of mine who could not hole airbus captain last Summer holds it this Summer. Not saying there has been a lot of movement but comparing the method you guys use to our twice yearly bid is not fair either.
If there is an integration REALLY, I thought it was when? Cry me a river over those potential "lost" captain positions. There are only a small percentage of F/O's over here that haven't had fourth stripe ripped from them.
Thanks for taking that one sentence out of context. The sentences just prior to that read like this:
"If I were king, we would already have a SLI and contract so people could plan their lives over the long term. A bid like this on the CAL side only gives pilots expectations that might change dramatically once a SLI is complete. "
My CAL buddies would probably be upset by my even considering that someone hired in 2005 might lose a captain seat once the SLI is complete. Didn't need to be beat up by you as well.
Oh boy and the net "gain" is smaller than the net loss of airframes. IE We are being shrunk. Not to mention we are trading in real airplanes for kiddie car POS AKA 737's.
Once the SLI is complete we will all be sharing in the pain of losing 757's for 737's.
Don't tell me not to get emotional. I am righteously ****ed OFF. And every pilot on the LUAL should be equally ****ed off. We are being disregarded, passed over and generally screwed blued and tattooed by your management. This is absolute proof that Jeffy is trying to pull a CAL EAL 2012 here. It's time to fight.
Okay, so you guys were short staffed as well. You get it.
And we are talking about bumping pilots over here!
Wait, I thought you were used to plug holes?
And we have such a surplus they are giving out voluntary leaves on this side.
Now I am really confused....
Until we have a contract the answer is to PARK the whole airline.
I am as ready as you are, trust me....
REALLY?? I haven't noticed that.
Yes, you guys add positions a little at a time on a monthly basis. Buddy of mine who could not hole airbus captain last Summer holds it this Summer. Not saying there has been a lot of movement but comparing the method you guys use to our twice yearly bid is not fair either.
If there is an integration REALLY, I thought it was when? Cry me a river over those potential "lost" captain positions. There are only a small percentage of F/O's over here that haven't had fourth stripe ripped from them.
Thanks for taking that one sentence out of context. The sentences just prior to that read like this:
"If I were king, we would already have a SLI and contract so people could plan their lives over the long term. A bid like this on the CAL side only gives pilots expectations that might change dramatically once a SLI is complete. "
My CAL buddies would probably be upset by my even considering that someone hired in 2005 might lose a captain seat once the SLI is complete. Didn't need to be beat up by you as well.
Oh boy and the net "gain" is smaller than the net loss of airframes. IE We are being shrunk. Not to mention we are trading in real airplanes for kiddie car POS AKA 737's.
Once the SLI is complete we will all be sharing in the pain of losing 757's for 737's.
Don't tell me not to get emotional. I am righteously ****ed OFF. And every pilot on the LUAL should be equally ****ed off. We are being disregarded, passed over and generally screwed blued and tattooed by your management. This is absolute proof that Jeffy is trying to pull a CAL EAL 2012 here. It's time to fight.
I understand. Instead of being upset that captain positions and first officer vacancies on widebodies are being added at CAL, be upset that we are not farther down the road towards a SLI in which these vacancies will be YOUR vacancies as well. The CAL pilots are not dripping between the knees right now, trust me. A quick view of the CAL only forums will back this up.
08-31-2012, 08:42 AM
#30
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Management's "divide and conquer" tactics never seem to fail. Why should they change their game plan? While a 99% strike vote shows that we're on the same page, throw in a system bid on the CAL side and watch the divisiveness grow... Again.
Does anyone honestly believe that it's rosy on the CAL side? Does anyone really believe that being the current "favored child" means that we're in a "happy family?"
Does anyone honestly believe that it's rosy on the CAL side? Does anyone really believe that being the current "favored child" means that we're in a "happy family?"
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