mattc

Hey all,
I'm trying to get my head around all the rumors swirling and was hoping someone with some reasonably credible information might be able to answer some questions that myself and I'm sure many other furloughees have.

Here is my situation:
1) Twice furloughed L-UAL guy (Guppy FO). Furlough #1 in Mar 02. Recalled in April 07. Furlough #2 in August 08. Still on furlough.

2) Turned down the L-CAL offer.

3) Really DO want to return to a United cockpit if there is still a career there to have (I will be 46 in October).

Here are some of my questions (credible rumors accepted).

1) I know there is the AIP out but no TA. Does anyone know how hard we fought as a group to get longevity for furloughees? I.e. If I was a UAL new hire in May of 2000, should I expect to be recalled to 12 year pay? Obviously this is huge. Does anyone know if this is likely to be the case for us or are we gonna get screwed?

2) Anyone have an opinion with the new 737 orders wheter or not UAL intends to add a 737 domicile? I would be hoping for a 737 domicile in IAD.

3) ANY rumors on seniority integration with CAL? Hope we (the UAL furloughees don't get screwed on that either).

I know I'm asking for your opinion and there are no guarantees, but I am desperate for some info!

Fraternally,

Matt

skippy

Im thinking with the pitiful leak, it can go one of two ways.
1. The leak had such poor items that maybe that included the cost of the furloughees longevity pay
2. The leak had such poor items, it just highlights that ual alpa didnt get very much in the new contract to include NOT getting longevity pay.

CALFO

1. There is a gag order on the AIP. You should know the answer in about four weeks if everything goes as planned.

2. Don't know. If Aip/ta gets approved it will be a moot point.

3. Seniority integration won't start until there is a TA. It will ultimately be in the hands of arbitration.

skippy

The new 737 order will go to L ual. Amd will be replacementsfo the 757'as they begingnto retire them on a 1-1 ratio beginning in 2013 but keeping 15 for premium service. Not growth but replacement, ual sucks again

SOTeric

The 737 will make up a huge portion of the fleet and will be prominent in all domiciles...IAD included for sure. SFO will be in the next CAL bid and possibly IAD.

Anybody with any "info" on the AIP is just talking out their rear. That includes WHEN we line pukes will get to see it.

ALPA merger policy dictates that years of service be included in the decision to seniority integration. No way can the afford another staple debacle like TWA and or a seniority grab like USAir.

skippy

Ummm, i believe the lax lec put out aip info before the "gag order". It has been verified in an official lec to the pilots letter. So u can believe what u want , but the stuff he got out before said gag order was instituted is apparently ...true, and a bunch of crap as well. Dont think it cant be changed by the initial reaction from pilots.

mattc

I guess another question then is definition of "years of service." Am I a 12 year guy since I was hired in 2000, or am I a "5 year guy" since I have been on the street for 6 (first furlough) + 4 (second furlough) years?

cadetdrivr

Under the current L-UAL contract you are probably a 3-year guy for pay rate purposes if you were on property 2000-2002 (2 years) plus 2007-2008 (1 year). The current L-UAL contract only counts time you were an active pilot for pay longevity.

We don't know what the AIP for the JCBA contains, but if it mirrors the current DAL contract you are a 12-year pilot (DOH) for pay purposes.

Note that longevity for pay can be different than longevity for "years of service" under the current L-UAL contract and we do not have a definite word of how this relates to the SLI. This will one of many issues that the arbitrator will need to determine.

ChrisJT6

Does DALs contract cover full longevity for furloughees or is it a partial or max of a certain years?

cadetdrivr

Last I looked it said longevity is determined from DOH (i.e. "full longevity") with certain exceptions, such as bypassing recall, where the clock would pause.