UAL pilots..retro question
#21
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Slick,
You would be obvioulsly correct in your assumption if the raises were equal dollar amounts across the board. However, in my experience the raises have been in percentages. Then the guy making a higher rate would have a higher percentage wise "new rate"
So yes, there could be a scenario where a jr FO guy receives more than a sr CAPT guy. Just haven't seen it.
You would be obvioulsly correct in your assumption if the raises were equal dollar amounts across the board. However, in my experience the raises have been in percentages. Then the guy making a higher rate would have a higher percentage wise "new rate"
So yes, there could be a scenario where a jr FO guy receives more than a sr CAPT guy. Just haven't seen it.
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Ok, let's be real here.... Jeff has NO intention of paying RETRO!!!! He has said no and will say no. Bottom line...he doesn't want to pay someone who is already gone (retired/etc)! Back pay....bonus...whatever...that is the reality.
@47dog.... We ALL feel for your pain! I know at CAL we did all we could for furloughs...paid insurance...gave money for holiday gifts...got them BACK! I know some say is still isn't enough, but please stop blaming PILOTS for your pain. We are not your enemy...look much higher up the food chain. If you are not currently flying when the t/a is presented...don't expect a vote... If you haven't been on property since 2009....don't expect retro/back pay.
Resign from ALPA???? Where do you think you are going!? ALPA will still be taking your money and will still be representing you until 8000 more than you finally get tired of it.
Your posts are falling on ears that have different priorities
@47dog.... We ALL feel for your pain! I know at CAL we did all we could for furloughs...paid insurance...gave money for holiday gifts...got them BACK! I know some say is still isn't enough, but please stop blaming PILOTS for your pain. We are not your enemy...look much higher up the food chain. If you are not currently flying when the t/a is presented...don't expect a vote... If you haven't been on property since 2009....don't expect retro/back pay.
Resign from ALPA???? Where do you think you are going!? ALPA will still be taking your money and will still be representing you until 8000 more than you finally get tired of it.
Your posts are falling on ears that have different priorities
#23
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Your right the whole retro thing is assumed, (but a no vote from me without it) and honestly I was just wondering when the legacy UAL contract was amendable. This thing just drifted into a life of its own.
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The Delta pilots have decided that retro is a thing of the past. DALPA sold this last contract to the pilots hard talking about the time value of money. If you get retro, then the time value of money argument is bull. Signing bonuses replaced retro about 10 years ago. Why? Because signing bonuses are literally pennies on the dollar compared to a retro check.
#25
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To come up with a number for myself compared to a Delta pilot, I took Delta's pay rates for the time since amendable date of UAL contract, came up with the difference in rate times hours flown per year, then added each year to come up with a total lost pay then multiplied it by 1.16 to include B plan.
Here are examples(valid up till Jul 1 when Delta got new pay raise):
UA 777 FO 12 yr pay @ 75/hr month
-----------------------------------
2010 paid $12/hr less X 75hr X 12mo = $10800
2011 paid $17/hr less X 75hr X 12mo = $15300
2012 paid $23/hr less X 75hr X 6mo = $10350
Total - 36450 + 16% B fund = $42282
CO 777 FO 12 yr pay @ 75/hr month
-----------------------------------
2009 paid $5/hr less X 75hr X 12mo= $4500
2010 paid $11/hr less X75hr X 12mo = $9900
2011 paid $16/hr less X 75 hr X 12mo= $14400
2012 pad $22/hr less X75hr X 6mo = $9900
Total - $38700 + 12.75% B fund = $43634
Here are examples(valid up till Jul 1 when Delta got new pay raise):
UA 777 FO 12 yr pay @ 75/hr month
-----------------------------------
2010 paid $12/hr less X 75hr X 12mo = $10800
2011 paid $17/hr less X 75hr X 12mo = $15300
2012 paid $23/hr less X 75hr X 6mo = $10350
Total - 36450 + 16% B fund = $42282
CO 777 FO 12 yr pay @ 75/hr month
-----------------------------------
2009 paid $5/hr less X 75hr X 12mo= $4500
2010 paid $11/hr less X75hr X 12mo = $9900
2011 paid $16/hr less X 75 hr X 12mo= $14400
2012 pad $22/hr less X75hr X 6mo = $9900
Total - $38700 + 12.75% B fund = $43634
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To come up with a number for myself compared to a Delta pilot, I took Delta's pay rates for the time since amendable date of UAL contract, came up with the difference in rate times hours flown per year, then added each year to come up with a total lost pay then multiplied it by 1.16 to include B plan.
Here are examples(valid up till Jul 1 when Delta got new pay raise):
UA 777 FO 12 yr pay @ 75/hr month
-----------------------------------
2010 paid $12/hr less X 75hr X 12mo = $10800
2011 paid $17/hr less X 75hr X 12mo = $15300
2012 paid $23/hr less X 75hr X 6mo = $10350
Total - 36450 + 16% B fund = $42282
CO 777 FO 12 yr pay @ 75/hr month
-----------------------------------
2009 paid $5/hr less X 75hr X 12mo= $4500
2010 paid $11/hr less X75hr X 12mo = $9900
2011 paid $16/hr less X 75 hr X 12mo= $14400
2012 pad $22/hr less X75hr X 6mo = $9900
Total - $38700 + 12.75% B fund = $43634
Here are examples(valid up till Jul 1 when Delta got new pay raise):
UA 777 FO 12 yr pay @ 75/hr month
-----------------------------------
2010 paid $12/hr less X 75hr X 12mo = $10800
2011 paid $17/hr less X 75hr X 12mo = $15300
2012 paid $23/hr less X 75hr X 6mo = $10350
Total - 36450 + 16% B fund = $42282
CO 777 FO 12 yr pay @ 75/hr month
-----------------------------------
2009 paid $5/hr less X 75hr X 12mo= $4500
2010 paid $11/hr less X75hr X 12mo = $9900
2011 paid $16/hr less X 75 hr X 12mo= $14400
2012 pad $22/hr less X75hr X 6mo = $9900
Total - $38700 + 12.75% B fund = $43634
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Trust me...nothing would surprise me at this point. Still a funny premise though. Retro should be based completely on W2 hours and equipment flown don't you think?
Obviously a pilot who makes more money (senior capt on highest paying equipment) is going to have the highest retro.
Until we see the rates it's unknown I guess?
Do I have it wrong?
Obviously a pilot who makes more money (senior capt on highest paying equipment) is going to have the highest retro.
Until we see the rates it's unknown I guess?
Do I have it wrong?
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Personally where the furloughed are currently working and they earning, off the property, has no bearing on retro. Retro is Retro. Now, do you want to get into the "rich aren't paying their fare share of taxes"...bring it on
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"Rich and taxes"?? wth? put down the bottle and sleep it off.
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