SpecialTracking

You might be laughing now but just wait.

APC225

Well they did that with the first five years of the pay chart and first six months of medical so why not.

Wrsofked

Trust me...nothing would surprise me at this point. Still a funny premise though. Retro should be based completely on W2 hours and equipment flown don't you think?

Obviously a pilot who makes more money (senior capt on highest paying equipment) is going to have the highest retro.

Until we see the rates it's unknown I guess?

Do I have it wrong?

47dog

If furloughed guys are not included expect a large chunk of them to resign from ALPA.

Wrsofked

Why wouldn't they be included?...and I assume you mean recalled and not currently furloughed?

Currently furloughed? That would be a stretch and unprecedented.

CHAIRMAN

While I agree I hate to see all the hero's flying there ass off with pilots on the street get rewarded...

Wrsofked

I get your point completely...so maybe they'll call it a bonus and make it flat across the board. Otherwise I don't see how it could be called "retro". New guys and recalled guy's just don't have the accumulation of "retro".

Not knowing how the deal reads just makes everything a hypothesis anyway.

47dog

Yea your right, including furlough guys wouldn't make sense. We have only taken a 100% pay cut twice, been furloughed under a no furlough clause, didn't get any bond payment, lost our pensions just like everyone else and pretty much been screwed for the last 13 years. And it appears there will be no longevity in this contract for us. Most likely get screwed on the SLI.
Have no clue why we would expect this "Union" to care.

Wrsofked

All that is unfortunate, hate it for all the furloughed guy's. CAL had our own furloughs, we helped pay their insurance premiums while they were out. Everybody in this industry has been screwed at one time or another. Some more than others and as you know, timing is everything.

If this AIP becomes a t/a and is ratified, I hope it's fair and equitable for all.

SlickMachine

This doesn't make sense to me. I'm going on the definition of retro pay being the difference between old pay rate and new, multiplied by hours worked since amenable date. ( I know there are other factors such as vacation, etc) If a senior 777 captain gets a raise of, let's say, 30$/ hour, then retro is calculated back over the time he has flown since the amenable date. Now take a junior FO on the 737 who also gets about a 30$/hour raise, and calculate his/her retro back since amenable date. ThE FO will have flown many more hours than the 777 captain given the mission of the equipment therefore compounding his retro further to a higher number. In other words, Captains would get more retro than FO's if their raise is a higher number for that BES. Where am I going wrong on this logic since the captain retro numbers always seem rumored as much bigger than fo numbers.