Possible T/A for MEC Review??
08-15-2012, 07:35 AM
#303
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Does it really matter if it is a formal or as informal as a request with "pretty please with sugar on top, do say a thing"? The end result is the same. Like posted in another thread what is point of going against the wishes of the NMB?
If we ignore the wishes of the NMB and this gets put out before MEC vote we may fall on our own sword. IMO the call for details published before the MEC vote is to convey a message of a “no” vote to the MEC. Should the MEC vote not to send the TA to the pilots we might be treading water for a long time. The NMB is the one who will call the shots as to when we get back together to continue negotiations. Outright disregard to the instructions of that body can lead us to being put on ice for a lengthy time. What would be our next strategy to get the company to make a second deal?
Also if we don’t have trust in our elected LEC members to do the right thing in this capacity, why even bother having them?
Also if we don’t have trust in our elected LEC members to do the right thing in this capacity, why even bother having them?
08-15-2012, 08:28 AM
#304
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APA Hotline, Aug 15
JUDGE SEAN LANE GRANTS AMR MANAGEMENT’S MOTION: United States Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane issued a ruling today that grants AMR management’s application for authority to reject the Allied Pilots Association-American Airlines Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Your APA legal team is currently reviewing the document. Upon completion of our review, if appropriate we will file an appeal of Judge Lane’s decision.
We regard AMR’s intent to reject our contract as an admission of failure—failure to reach a mutually acceptable agreement with a vital employee group, and in a broader sense, failure to avoid bankruptcy and to present a credible vision for our airline’s future. Any future for this airline must include a consensual, industry-standard contract that properly recognizes our pilots’ sacrifices and our critical role in the operation of American Airlines.
Your APA leadership is exploring and pursuing all legal avenues in response to today’s ruling, including the pending appeal regarding the inapplicability of Section 1113 to the 2003 pilot collective bargaining agreement. Your APA leadership will issue a follow-up message later today.
JUDGE SEAN LANE GRANTS AMR MANAGEMENT’S MOTION: United States Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane issued a ruling today that grants AMR management’s application for authority to reject the Allied Pilots Association-American Airlines Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Your APA legal team is currently reviewing the document. Upon completion of our review, if appropriate we will file an appeal of Judge Lane’s decision.
We regard AMR’s intent to reject our contract as an admission of failure—failure to reach a mutually acceptable agreement with a vital employee group, and in a broader sense, failure to avoid bankruptcy and to present a credible vision for our airline’s future. Any future for this airline must include a consensual, industry-standard contract that properly recognizes our pilots’ sacrifices and our critical role in the operation of American Airlines.
Your APA leadership is exploring and pursuing all legal avenues in response to today’s ruling, including the pending appeal regarding the inapplicability of Section 1113 to the 2003 pilot collective bargaining agreement. Your APA leadership will issue a follow-up message later today.
08-15-2012, 01:11 PM
#305
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APA Hotline, Aug 15
JUDGE SEAN LANE GRANTS AMR MANAGEMENT’S MOTION: United States Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane issued a ruling today that grants AMR management’s application for authority to reject the Allied Pilots Association-American Airlines Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Your APA legal team is currently reviewing the document. Upon completion of our review, if appropriate we will file an appeal of Judge Lane’s decision.
We regard AMR’s intent to reject our contract as an admission of failure—failure to reach a mutually acceptable agreement with a vital employee group, and in a broader sense, failure to avoid bankruptcy and to present a credible vision for our airline’s future. Any future for this airline must include a consensual, industry-standard contract that properly recognizes our pilots’ sacrifices and our critical role in the operation of American Airlines.
Your APA leadership is exploring and pursuing all legal avenues in response to today’s ruling, including the pending appeal regarding the inapplicability of Section 1113 to the 2003 pilot collective bargaining agreement. Your APA leadership will issue a follow-up message later today.
JUDGE SEAN LANE GRANTS AMR MANAGEMENT’S MOTION: United States Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane issued a ruling today that grants AMR management’s application for authority to reject the Allied Pilots Association-American Airlines Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Your APA legal team is currently reviewing the document. Upon completion of our review, if appropriate we will file an appeal of Judge Lane’s decision.
We regard AMR’s intent to reject our contract as an admission of failure—failure to reach a mutually acceptable agreement with a vital employee group, and in a broader sense, failure to avoid bankruptcy and to present a credible vision for our airline’s future. Any future for this airline must include a consensual, industry-standard contract that properly recognizes our pilots’ sacrifices and our critical role in the operation of American Airlines.
Your APA leadership is exploring and pursuing all legal avenues in response to today’s ruling, including the pending appeal regarding the inapplicability of Section 1113 to the 2003 pilot collective bargaining agreement. Your APA leadership will issue a follow-up message later today.
Does this give the AMR pilots rights to self help or are they now screwed on both fronts?
08-15-2012, 01:15 PM
#306
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I think there is a lot of confusion about the so-called "gag order."
I called the NMB offices, and the NMB spokesperson told me the order was "informal." This may be because in the NMB's own rules they don't actually have the authority to issue one. I suppose "informal" takes care of that.
I suppose if it was an informal order, that can be viewed as a formal request........ That and about 89 cents might buy you a cup of coffee.
I called the NMB offices, and the NMB spokesperson told me the order was "informal." This may be because in the NMB's own rules they don't actually have the authority to issue one. I suppose "informal" takes care of that.
I suppose if it was an informal order, that can be viewed as a formal request........ That and about 89 cents might buy you a cup of coffee.
Well even the company (i.e. Fred Abbott) came out and mentioned the gag order and they seem to be abiding by it...informal or not. When have you ever known the company to abide by anything that wasn't set in stone? A history of negotiating in public and now all of sudden their lips are tighter than a....never mind.
08-15-2012, 01:35 PM
#307
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Otto and I agree on this one.... Unless the change is reflected in the MEC Policy Manual there is nothing binding. Even then, the MEC can legally waive the Policy Manual with a majority vote.
08-15-2012, 02:09 PM
#308
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APA Hotline, Aug 15
JUDGE SEAN LANE GRANTS AMR MANAGEMENT’S MOTION: United States Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane issued a ruling today that grants AMR management’s application for authority to reject the Allied Pilots Association-American Airlines Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Your APA legal team is currently reviewing the document. Upon completion of our review, if appropriate we will file an appeal of Judge Lane’s decision.
We regard AMR’s intent to reject our contract as an admission of failure—failure to reach a mutually acceptable agreement with a vital employee group, and in a broader sense, failure to avoid bankruptcy and to present a credible vision for our airline’s future. Any future for this airline must include a consensual, industry-standard contract that properly recognizes our pilots’ sacrifices and our critical role in the operation of American Airlines.
Your APA leadership is exploring and pursuing all legal avenues in response to today’s ruling, including the pending appeal regarding the inapplicability of Section 1113 to the 2003 pilot collective bargaining agreement. Your APA leadership will issue a follow-up message later today.
JUDGE SEAN LANE GRANTS AMR MANAGEMENT’S MOTION: United States Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane issued a ruling today that grants AMR management’s application for authority to reject the Allied Pilots Association-American Airlines Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Your APA legal team is currently reviewing the document. Upon completion of our review, if appropriate we will file an appeal of Judge Lane’s decision.
We regard AMR’s intent to reject our contract as an admission of failure—failure to reach a mutually acceptable agreement with a vital employee group, and in a broader sense, failure to avoid bankruptcy and to present a credible vision for our airline’s future. Any future for this airline must include a consensual, industry-standard contract that properly recognizes our pilots’ sacrifices and our critical role in the operation of American Airlines.
Your APA leadership is exploring and pursuing all legal avenues in response to today’s ruling, including the pending appeal regarding the inapplicability of Section 1113 to the 2003 pilot collective bargaining agreement. Your APA leadership will issue a follow-up message later today.
08-15-2012, 02:47 PM
#309
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Here is the link to the judge's ruling
UPDATE 1-US judge denies American Air request to scrap pilot contracts | Reuters
UPDATE 1-US judge denies American Air request to scrap pilot contracts | Reuters
08-15-2012, 07:27 PM
#310
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Did you happen to check the official docket of the NMB and their "orders?"
No such gag order was issued. If so, it would be a part of the official public record. An email to the MEC doesn't cut it. Either an order was issued or it wasn't........................
what is the date and time, and filing number of this gag order? Who signed it, who voted on it and who was present?
No such gag order was issued. If so, it would be a part of the official public record. An email to the MEC doesn't cut it. Either an order was issued or it wasn't........................
what is the date and time, and filing number of this gag order? Who signed it, who voted on it and who was present?
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