SKLJ

Mike Abram wrote the CAL scope section and has worked closely with CAL during independent and now joint negotiations.

horrido27

Shiznit..
If you go back a few days, you'll see the whole Resolution. It was an LEC (170) Resolution that went up to the MEC Level where it passed unanimously.

So here is the real question-
CAN the NMB overrule an ALPA Resolution? ie.. can they prevent the CAL Pilots from seeing the TA before an MEC Vote per the resolution?
If so.. can we (CAL ALPA Pilots) sue ALPA under DFR if they don't press to test?!

If the NMB has this much power.. can't they also say that the pilots will not get to vote, that the MEC is the Voting approval?
This is a slippery slope.
We (CAL Pilots) specifically have this Resolution to ensure that we (CAL Pilots) have "Fair Representation"...
It would seem to me- that if not followed, and a TA passes against the wishes of the Continental Pilots, a lawsuit could follow.

Interesting times..

Motch

PS> All three emails sent to my ALPA Reps have not been replied to, nor have my phone calls or messages been returned. Now I am concerned.

Ottolillienthal

The MEC can do whatever it wants. Nothing binding the MEC in the policy manual whatsoever. Resolutions can pass, fail, or languish. Resolutions, absent the weight of changing procedure are just "feel good" resolutions.

Ottolillienthal

1. You won't get a reply to your emails or phone calls. They won't go "on the record" so to speak and back themselves in a corner whereby they must follow a specific course of action.

2. You have no lawsuit. The MEC, by policy is required to vote on the TA once it is reviewed. There is no MEC policy mandating that it be sent out to the pilots first before TA up or down vote at the MEC table.

3. While you are trying to get them in a corner on the TA, best to get them on the record on age 67 and find out what ALPA National is doing about that. Position and Plan.....

Ottolillienthal

Abram is on the A team, and management has definitely tried to woo him over the years. Abram is as good as there is in the scope game.

Problem is: Abram may be dealing with new concepts such as "ratios". Prior to the year 2012 we were dealing in black and white. Size, type, jet, turbo prop, pure and totally definable and industry accepted terms. Now, the company wants us to get into "ratios." These are pie in the sky numbers which the company can interpret based on coefficients, tangents, targets, nebulus equations, artificially induced errors, etc. This will be like doing a geometry exam and having Euclid grading it.

Ottopilot

The results of scope and outsourcing:

(CNN) -- The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating why a regional commuter plane landed at the wrong West Virginia airport Tuesday night.

United Express Flight 4049 operated by Silver Airways was supposed to fly from Morgantown to Clarksburg but landed instead at Fairmont Municipal Airport about 10 miles away.

The Saab 340B plus aircraft can seat up to 34 people, but had 11 passengers and three crew members on board at the time, according to Silver Airways spokesman Scott Bennett.

"All passengers were re-accommodated to North Central West Virginia Airport ... in Clarksburg in a timely fashion," Silver Airways said in a statement.

"Safety is our top priority, and we have launched an internal review to determine what led to the flight diversion," David Querio, chief operating officer of Silver Airways said in the statement e-mailed to CNN. "We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience to passengers aboard flight 4049 last evening."

Pending the investigation, the flight crew has been removed from service, Bennett said.

Silver Airways, based in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, started operations in last year and currently operates 120 flights a day on its 31 aircraft, according to the company's website.

The Morgantown to Clarksburg route is new for the airline, which took over those flights August 1.

Short Bus Drive

????
Like the "legacies" never landed at a wrong airport, or TAXIWAY? And the recent Military?

Not agreeing with SCOPE or outsourcing. But saying this happened because of SCOPE or outsourcing....

horrido27

I'd need to see some "facts" about that-
Our Resolution is pretty clear cut and dry. If we don't see the TA 14 prior to a Vote, there should be a recall.

And yes, I am aware that a recall take some time.. but it's the point. A resolution is the direction that the Pilots give to the MEC. If the MEC decides to forgo that direction, then they no longer are working for the pilots.

Motch

throttleweenie

Should the senior guys take a smaller % of retro than junior guys? I'm expecting a larger dollar figure of retro than guys that have made less than I have since the contract became amendable because I've been swindled out of more by management. I'm only interested in my share, no more no less.

Pretty fair, I think.
TW

horrido27

1) Finally did hear back from my FO Rep. Guess there's something personal going on so I'm ok with the delay. Stil have not heard back from my Capt Rep or MEC Chair.

2) I'll find out if there is enough grounds for a lawsuit IF we don't get to see the TA before an MEC Vote and IF it passes an MEC Vote and IF if passes membership ratification because of an overwhelming UAL Pilot group Vote. Alot of "if's" there, but after seeing what the TWA Pilot group did, I'll be willing to invest some time and money into the same course.

Mind you, I expect that I'll probably be furloughed IF we end up with Delta's PWA/Scope without certain protections and some sort of small narrowbody aircraft (B717 type), in the next few years. Will have some time on my hands then!

3) Age 67 is your conjured up delusional issue. No where is there any facts or documentation to back up your claims. On the "Age 67" thread, others have already shot you down on that.

I am not trying to "get them in a corner".. I just want to know-
a) Why did the LAX FO Rep put out the info that he did? and how much of it is true?
2) Will we see the TA 14 days prior to a Vote, per our Resolution?
If not.. why?

This is not a which hunt. But there have now been a few contradicting blastmails from the different Unions and different LEC's that should raise concerns~

Motch