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Old 08-09-2012, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by unitedflyier
Exactly. I'm twice furloughed. What will I get (and others like me) for making the ultimate sacrifice twice. Got nothing last time. The senior guys look after themselves.

Will they throw us under the bus and say we have to pay our dues again?

I want my share of that fund.

I want longevity pay.

I want no training freeze when I come back. Already been on one for over 5 years locked on the lowest paying equipment and worst schedule.

I want to keep my recall rights for 10 years.

I want to keep my travel benefits.

I want to vote on this as well!!
Jeff Smisek got his (to the tune of $13.4M in 2011) -- you should get yours as well.

Compensation jumps for CEOs at United, Delta - USATODAY.com
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:33 PM
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The following is a chart reflecting the current status of the JCBA by Section:



JCBA Proposal Status

Section Current status Open Items

Section 1 - Scope AIP 0

Section 2 - Definitions Open

Section 3 - Compensation AIP 0

Section 4 - Expenses, Lodging, Transportation Open 1

Section 5 - Hours of Service Open 3

Section 6 - Seniority AIP 0

Section 7 - RIF AIP 0

Section 8 - Filling of Vacancies AIP 0

Section 9 - Training AIP 0

Section 10 - Moving AIP 0

Section 11 - Vacation AIP 0

Section 12 - Leaves of Absence AIP 0

Section 13 - Sick Leave AIP 0

Section 14 - Physical Exams AIP 0

Section 15 - Worker's Comp AIP 0

Section 16 - Missing AIP 0

Section 17 - Grievances AIP 0

Section 18 - System Board AIP 0

Section 19 - Safety AIP 0

Section 20 - Allocation, Assignment, and Scheduling AIP 0

Section 21 - General AIP 0

Section 22 - International AIP 0

Section 23 - Instructors AIP 0

Section 24 - R & I Open 1

Section 25 - Duration AIP 0

LOA - GUAM AIP 0

LOA - Trip Trading AIP 0

LOA Proposal Open 1
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"scope definition" is still open?

Isn't that the crux of whole scope issue, as well as the sticking point of the whole contract?

Theres no #€£*%# agreement!
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SOTeric
"scope definition" is still open?

Isn't that the crux of whole scope issue, as well as the sticking point of the whole contract?

Theres no #€£*%# agreement!


Scope is closed. Definitions, a completely different section, is open.

That's where they try to determine what the definition of "is" is.
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
So how come we didn't give them the 86 seats they wanted and asked for this time?
Cause they always ask for more than what they want. 86 seats in an 86 seat airframe runs extremely contrary to their "more first class seats than anyone" marketing. They don't operate anything in max certifiable other than obselete 50 seaters and they hate those. They want to put a first class in large "RJ's". Had we fallen for the 86, they would be one step ahead next time wanting to keep 86 in an E190 or comparable.

We give them an inch and then brag that we didn't give them a mile. We gave them 70 additional 90 seat jets fake limited to 76 (just barely below what they would like them to be limited to anyway) without forcing them to have to give up the same number of 70 seaters while at the same time enabling them to get out from under multi billion dollar bad management sub prime peak real estate bubble prices on obselete 50 seaters.

They just got to up the number in the large RJ fleet. Now they will have a much larger "armada" of DC-9-10 replacement jets for next time when they will move to up the seat count while keeping the number in the fleet the same. Then the time after that they will want more while keeping the seat count the same. If we don't give it to them, they will threaten to buy someone with million year leases for more lift and squeal how they can't afford to get out of the contracts and it will bankrupt us if we don't raise the "hard cap". Book it.
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It's gonna take 2 dozen lawers 2 weeks to comb through the definitions to make sure we aren't getting hosed just in the terminology department.

If the definitions favor management, then we are in for a screwin.
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Originally Posted by Ottolillienthal
It's gonna take 2 dozen lawers 2 weeks to comb through the definitions to make sure we aren't getting hosed just in the terminology department.

If the definitions favor management, then we are in for a screwin.
2 dozen "ALPA" lawyers who got their law degree from the University of Nigeria online campus.
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Old 08-09-2012, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by horrido27
Totally agree.
That is why I expect to see any TA BEFORE my MEC/LEC Votes.

I'm just stating my plan IF the Union goes against the Resolution.

Motch
Honest question...

Was it an LEC resolution that passed, and MEC resolution that passed, or was there an actual amendment to the CAL MEC Policy Manual that delineates the change you are talking about?

It might be an interesting concept to employ at other ALPA units.
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Old 08-09-2012, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jdt30
2 dozen "ALPA" lawyers who got their law degree from the University of Nigeria online campus.
Really? Where do you people come up with such nonsense?

ALPA's General Counsel: Cohen, Weiss, & Simon

Here is a 2 minute cut and paste from the CWS website (Cohen, Weiss and Simon LLP Attorney Bios):

Some of the Partners:
M. Abram 1966 graduate magna cum laude from Harvard Law
T. Ciantra labor history at Yale University in 1984. He graduated with honors from Harvard Law School in 1987
S. Davis honors from the University of California at Berkeley in 1976. She received a law degree with high honors from Rutgers University in 1981
P. DeChiara Columbia Law School in 1988, magna cum laude from Brown University in 1984
M. Winston high honors from Rutgers University Law School in 1985
L. Gomez Fordham University Law School in 1994
Bruce Simon, Senior Partner Harvard Law 1960


I think you are remiss in the estimation of the quality of the firm's attorneys.
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Really? Where do you people come up with such nonsense?

ALPA's General Counsel: Cohen, Weiss, & Simon

Here is a 2 minute cut and paste from the CWS website (Cohen, Weiss and Simon LLP Attorney Bios):

Some of the Partners:
M. Abram 1966 graduate magna cum laude from Harvard Law
T. Ciantra labor history at Yale University in 1984. He graduated with honors from Harvard Law School in 1987
S. Davis honors from the University of California at Berkeley in 1976. She received a law degree with high honors from Rutgers University in 1981
P. DeChiara Columbia Law School in 1988, magna cum laude from Brown University in 1984
M. Winston high honors from Rutgers University Law School in 1985
L. Gomez Fordham University Law School in 1994
Bruce Simon, Senior Partner Harvard Law 1960


I think you are remiss in the estimation of the quality of the firm's attorneys.
I apologize. I refer to the CAL in house counsel.
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