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So far.......

APC225

Except for the word "jets." If it had said "aircraft" instead it would have been perfect. Props. Who would of thought they would go get 70-seat props.

hockeypilot44

The problem is scope cannot be defended if the company wants it bad enough. Well, it can, but the way the Railroad Labor Act is set up, the company can just stop negotiating in good faith. You don't give up scope, you don't get a new contract. This can last decades. You can't strike. Your hands are tied.

johnso29

No. They don't. They just haven't had scope limits tested. It's pretty easy to hold the line when no one tries to move it.

Regularguy

Otto and all you tough talking CAL pilots, I believe your iron clad scope is dead even without a new contract. This has been on other threads in the past so please check it out and quit thumping your chests.

Ultimately if the money gurus want to kill scope they will. This isn't about what's best it's about money. Why do you think People distress was started? Certainly not to provide a unique and better way for the public to travel by air. These boys made a killing on stock and financing and where is People today? Sold!

They want a outsourcing, their going to get it and the union's job should be to get a piece of the action that benefits whom they represent. Or at least make it very expensive to do so.

Ottolillienthal

We used to fly the ATR 72 at Cont. Express. No biggie actually.

Ottolillienthal

Pretty soon we'll be sold too.....we're too big to fail? HA.

This thing might get cut up too.

Our managers have one thing in common...."they don't want to run an airline, they want to manage a network."

Without global airline seniority, or national seniority, the scoped out, farmed out, out-sourced model you so badly want to get a piece of will mean that every 5 to 12 years we get the pleasure of starting over at the bottom of someone's list.

Great, we get a piece of the pie.... The pilots piece usually consists of crumbs, and the icing on the cake is very short lived indeed. We'll get a warm fuzzy for about 18 months, then once the shine wears off, and the boys in the executive washroom make another killing off the stock and off our backs, and we'll be wondering why in the heck are they so giddy up there on the 60th floor. Oh, they found another way in to outsource some more jobs.

Unless you're in the top one third of the seniority list, you probably need to really read that scope language pretty good.

The union has historically gotten a piece of the action, the problem is, I have not.

Chest thumping..............I think not. Cuatious, guarded, and slightly pessimistic....YES. I don't trust the company, but I don't trust the regional airline pilots association too much these days either.

ALPA has a conflict of interest: Protect the pilots at the regionals at the expense of mainline, or protect mainline pilots at at the expnse of the regionals who continually get bigger and faster jets.

I wonder what truly is the limit on the size of an "RJ." Is there a limit?? Riddle me that, and get all of the regional carriers to agree to said limit, and I might feel cautiously optimistic.

tsquare

I asked this question before and no one speculated on it, so I will try again. How do you think you will put the scope genie back in the bottle on the UAL side? If CAL has the better scope, that means that UAL's is lacking and "weaker" How are you going to fix that discrepancy?

Boneman

Not quite correct. People Express was started by Don Burr (and others) in 1983 when he resigned from Texas International. Don was inspired by Freddie Laker's Laker Airways and hoped to build a US version of the same. It had nothing to do with SCOPE. Along the way they purchased Frontier, Britt and PBA. Due to failed integration of the aforementioned airlines, enormous debt incurred and the 1987 stock market crash they had no choice but to liquidate or sell. They sold out to Texas Air, the parent company of Continental and were eventually merged into that operation. L-CAL still has former Frontier, Britt and PBA pilots on its seniority list.

Monkeyfly

Sit tight, we'll soon see...