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Old 08-04-2012, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 47dog
Any word on longevity for furloughed guys/gals? Seems like a no brainer but we really have no faith in UAL ALPA to care about junior pilots. Preparing to be disappointed, pi$$ed and looking at a DFR.
What has this got to do with the contract?
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by CleCapt
What has this got to do with the contract?
Longevity has a lot to do with the contract. It's the least that can be done for the 1437 due to all they have been forced to endure.
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by clecapt
what has this got to do with the contract?
2172....1437

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Old 08-04-2012, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 47dog
Any word on longevity for furloughed guys/gals? Seems like a no brainer but we really have no faith in UAL ALPA to care about junior pilots. Preparing to be disappointed, pi$$ed and looking at a DFR.
Longevity credit for inactive status is rare...inactive status also doesn't vote unless working at sCAL.
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 47dog
Any word on longevity for furloughed guys/gals? Seems like a no brainer but we really have no faith in UAL ALPA to care about junior pilots. Preparing to be disappointed, pi$$ed and looking at a DFR.
Good luck on the DFR, You might want to do a little research on how contracts under the RLA work and what the status of a furloughed pilot is. Short answer is that your out of luck. Your actually not represented by UAL ALPA under the law. If your not represented you can't have a DFR. Longevity for furloughed pilots is something pioneered by Delta and fairly recent in airline contracts. Even if you could make a case it would hardly rise to the level of a DFR since the norm is not to gain longevity while on furlough. This applies to almost all jobs not just airline and transportation.
It may be a no brainer to you but to the company its cold hard cash out of their pocket. Like any other item your negotiating committee should have prioritized where they wanted to spend the cash they are able to get the company to pony up. I like longevity for furloughed pilots for several reasons the biggest being it increases the payback time to the company for a furlough decreasing the chances of a furlough in the first place. Your concept of a DFR however is a joke.
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:49 AM
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Longevity wasn't rare at DAL or UAL in the 80s. True only a couple hundred able to vote on this contract, but 2172 plus more of the 1437 will vote on the next one...screwing the bottom in such mass numbers will catch up to you eventually
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:53 AM
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Numerous email replies to furloughees over the yrs from ALPA officers stating Longevity was a top priority ought to do it.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Good luck on the DFR, You might want to do a little research on how contracts under the RLA work and what the status of a furloughed pilot is. Short answer is that your out of luck. Your actually not represented by UAL ALPA under the law. If your not represented you can't have a DFR. Longevity for furloughed pilots is something pioneered by Delta and fairly recent in airline contracts. Even if you could make a case it would hardly rise to the level of a DFR since the norm is not to gain longevity while on furlough. This applies to almost all jobs not just airline and transportation.
It may be a no brainer to you but to the company its cold hard cash out of their pocket. Like any other item your negotiating committee should have prioritized where they wanted to spend the cash they are able to get the company to pony up. I like longevity for furloughed pilots for several reasons the biggest being it increases the payback time to the company for a furlough decreasing the chances of a furlough in the first place. Your concept of a DFR however is a joke.
We weren't represented when we were active! But thanks for the patronizing load Mr. labor genius.
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Old 08-04-2012, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
You all are a work. This has been the hardest negotiations in my 34 years at UAL outside of 1985. Why don't we all just weight and see what has been negotiated.
You can say this all you want, but the sentiments expressed on this board are living proof that the union that represents us was remiss in it's lack of polling and educating the pilots. None the less, if the AIP turns into a substandard TA like many here suspect it may, you can rest assured there's going to be an upheaval.
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Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA
Longevity credit for inactive status is rare...
Yup, so rare that it even isn't in the current DAL contract for furloghed pilots that this AIP apparently mirrors.

Oh wait....
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