Airhoss

ALPA National and Lee Moak in particular. Lee is trying to placate all sides he's trying to smooth the waters. Mr. Moak's actions have made it clear that he is gunning for a big airline or government executive job after he leaves ALPA.

Mr. Moak has made sure that we don't get released and our summer leverage is over. Mr. Moak has been playing politics through the summer and instead of placing pressure on the NMB to release us he's made sure that we remain status quo so as not to make any waves politically or from a business standpoint. Lee is a placater not a fighter. Allowing this to go to the mat would not be good for his future corporate aspirations.

Congress goes on break after August 3rd and after that happens we are in limbo until they come back after the elections and we are dead in the water until 2013. Lee Moak can not understand what the rush is and why the UAL pilots are so rabid about getting a contract. He doesn't understand what it is to be living under a draconian BK contract for the last decade. He isn't getting why 38 UAl pilots have committed suicide, that we've lost homes and families, lives have been destroyed. That the devastation has been real not imagined.

It's time for Lee Moak to either act with the utmost ability within his power or to get out of the way. Because if he doesn't the next vote may well be a 94%-99% decertification vote at UAL. Our strike vote numbers were loud and clear Moak had better listen up right now!

SoCalGuy

He wouldn't be the first....Kind of like "Duane Woerth-less"??
Woerth, Duane E.

I'd include Randy Babbitt to that elite list, but we all know how his "ALPA President to Government Tenure" ended....Behind the wheel on the sauce.

EWR73FO

Allegedly..........(at least according the judge.)

alfaromeo

I heard it was the space aliens that were gumming up the works. I mean that story has as much credibility as your story.

Mwindaji

I don’t know if this is true or perception concerning Moak and ALPA. However, it’s time for ALPA to deliver and as far as I am concerned time is running out. ALPA’s actions concerning AirTran pilots and former TWA pilots were a failure to get what was best for those pilots and at twice the cost of an in-house union. Please tell me what we are paying for? I have had enough talk. It’s time for ALPA to deliver.

SoCalGuy

Could it be that "Lazer" Lee is waiting to break out the his 'Big Guns"??

You know, the big inflatable "RAT".

"That will show'em."

Old UCAL CA

ALPA doesn't "deliver" anything except administrative and financial resources.

Judging by your post, you're either quite young or part of the entitlement generation that believes somebody else is supposed to do it for them and blames accordingly...or both.

Captain Bligh

Awesome! The big rat would be the best way to show 'em. Glad my dues paid for that. National took bribes and/or bowed to threats to "get this merger done". Airhoss, you're absolutely right, but they'll never admit it.

I bet instead we'll soon see LEC and MEC reps selling a substandard TA, that includes a huge mark down on retro pay (call it signing bonus if it makes you feel better) in the neighborhood of 35 cents on the dollar, because of "the total cost" of it. A wholesale roll over on scope, because "The Delta pilots didn't need it". Work rules that won't make S-UAL pilots happy because "we need to keep our competitive advantage" and best of all, the excuse that we are starting from zero with our concessionary/bankruptcy starting points here and can't get released, so let's not even try or we'll be put on ice. Let's just take this deal and we'll get it "next time" guys.

Fools

alfaromeo

So how is it that Moak was successful at closing multiple deals at Delta and not at UCal? What is the difference there? Casting around blame is very convenient when you can pick some distant person and impugn them knowing that they have little recourse. That is a cowardly thing to do, but hey if that makes you happy then go ahead.

Why do you think the NMB came to speak directly with both the United and Continental MEC's? Do you think she came to say "sure we will release you to strike tomorrow" or did she say "get your act together and get a deal"? What do you think is the most likely event?

We are in a new environment and that requires new ways of thinking. If you are stuck in the past then you will not succeed. If you try to shift blame for your own problems onto some other person or organization then you will not succeed. At some point you have to either make tough decisions or make excuses and cast blame. Which one results in more pay for you?

ualratt

Hoss, I get your point except, how does "Congress goes on break after August 3rd and after that happens we are in limbo until they come back after the elections and we are dead in the water until 2013." All Congress might do is to write you a contract under which you will work. The NMB doesn't go to Congress or for that matter to the President to ask if they can release the parties from negotiation. They and they alone makes that determination. The President can then appoint an emergency board (PEB). Congress only gets involved if the PEB fails and only if they see fit to do so. They do that by writing a contract under which both parties will work.

So if you meant Congress deciding your working conditions and pay in reference to 2013, then I can agree. Otherwise, what involvement would they have at the moment?