Mwindaji

Your judgment is bad then. Here are the facts- I’m over fifty. I have crossed the FEBA many times and I use to belong to a group that put the lives of others before themselves. FEBA is Forward Edge of the Battle Area. I have never crossed a picket line and I never will. Peolpe who don't like the message attact the messanger.
If ALPA doesn't deliver anything except administrative and financial resources then why did former TWA pilots win thier lawsuit against ALPA. For folks that like facts and not just talk check out TWApilot.org and click on ALPA lawsuit.

Mwindaji

You need to re-read my post. I said I don't know if it is true about Moak of a perception. Frankly, I don't care. If you think ALPA is doing a great job that is your opinion. However it is not mine. I do agree with you that when you attack someone's character by hinding behind this forum it is cowardly.

Airhoss

Alfaromero,

Do you honestly not know? Delta and UCH managements have an entirely different strategy. One is working with their pilot group the other is hostile and working against their pilot group.

So let me ask you this agent Skully, what has Moak done for this negotiation that has moved us closer to a deal? What resources has he pulled out of the war chest and used to make this happen? Any and everything he's done, what little it's been, he's been pushed to do by the UAL MEC.

The man has shown no spine whatsoever. He's all hat and no horse but apparently that is the new way of doing business hows it working out for you? Maybe we should put Wendy back in power they seem to be on the same wave length.

BTW have you not been keeping up with the MEC messages and whole thing from the strike comity yesterday in regards to the congressional break? The one about not organizing in D.C. . I spent over 4 hours yesterday with a high ranking MEC member who has the very same opinion about Moak and says he is the primary reason we haven't been released. He's putting the breaks on it and he (Moak) doesn't understand why the UAL pilot group is in such a hurry to get this done. Apparently his annual salary and benefit package are providing a very comfortable living for him so why rock the boat and ruin any industry opportunities in the future?

Folks it's time that we UAL pilots remind Lee Moak who the largest single contributor to ALPA is. It's time to remind him that we just overwhelmingly showed that we are sick and tired of this situation and are ready to act. Lee either needs to get in the fight or step down.

Let him know as he doesn't seem to get the hint from our strike vote results.

[email protected].

Ottopilot

Threaten an inhouse union for UAL and see how ALPA reacts. -12,000 dues payers may get their attention. I'm tired of seeing the amounts paid to everyone at national while my pay goes down.

Ottolillienthal

Been very quiet lately regarding the in house union over at Delta. I wonder how that's going?

Anyway.......... After several years in ALPA as an elected rep I can state that ALPA is traditioally "non confrontational." ALPA N believes better to spread the honey than psss on everyone's boots. ALPA, in the last 10 years since 9-11 has been on the defensive.

This is the main reason ALPA has been courting the regional vote.


We are at a cross roads. Is ALPA a mainline union or a regional pilots union.


Time to cut nuts and call a steer a steer.


I gave up on ALPA a long time ago. I believe in ALPA, and beleive in the necessity of having a union, I just don't think ALPA can walk the walk, talk the talk and drive results in a timely manner as long as it caters to the regionals and allows them to chase the same revenue stream that the majors are chasing. It's a conflict of interest and Art Luby is the first to admit it, and the first to say it's completely legal, althought it may tread on ethics.......but that's another debate.

Time to drive results........Congress in session or out of session doesn't matter. might be better to have Congress out of session. But, I agree, Summer leverage (crow bar) is just about gone. See you at Christmas.

Captain Bligh

Maybe it's time to break out those "Vote No and Reorganize" bag stickers?

76drvr

Yep, anything but take ownership. Blame Lee, blame whoever, just never look in the mirror.

I'm sure DAL management was giddy about paying Delta pilots 30% more than UAL pays their pilots. Yep, that management team at Delta just loves their pilots and wants to give them money.

Ottolillienthal

You mean Gordon Bethune's management team don't you?

they learned their lesson. believe me, They are getting off cheap, and they know it.

Airhoss

Oh mirror mirror on the wall when 76drvr takes a look what does he see looking back?

You are one person, I am one person combined we can make little to no difference. HOWEVER that is exactly what I am TRYING to do here pound into the head of the guy who can make a difference that he needs to act NOW. Have you got a better idea because I'd love to hear it? The person who has the most influence, our combined voice is LEE MOAK. And he isn't saying what needs to be said. And he isn't doing what needs to be done. For you slow people that is quit playing grab azzz with Linda Pachula and quit trying to placate management and do his job as leader of Alpa National. Also in case you don't know that job is to support his pilot groups to the utmost of his and Alpa's ability. That means pulling out all the stops if necessary.

Please tell me what you have in mind for your one man army maneuver?

What is Moak's plan, what time line is Lee on? And why in the he!! would you insinuate that this has anything to do with taking personal blame for this debacle. IT ISN'T MY FAULT, IT ISN'T YOUR FAULT, THE "FAULT" LIES WITH UCH MANAGEMENT PURE AND SIMPLE and the RELUCTANCE OF ALPA NATIONAL TO START SWINGING ISN'T HELPING AT ALL!

Is it really that hard to understand?

throttleweenie

One of the reasons Delta was so giddy to pay its pilots 30% more was because it would hurt them less than it would hurt United to match their rates. That's from one of Delta's Chief Pilots.

TW