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Old 07-07-2012, 09:27 AM
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I cannot debate the items that you focused on while excluding the other parts that you totally ignore. It is important, but you ignore them. You win.
Should he just post the entire section 1 so you can point out where he's wrong?

I'm still waiting for you to point out the guarantee while you're at it.

For someone so bent on specifics, you really lack in being able to show your source...
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Old 07-07-2012, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Should he just post the entire section 1 so you can point out where he's wrong?

I'm still waiting for you to point out the guarantee while you're at it.

For someone so bent on specifics, you really lack in being able to show your source...
Nah. I'm tired of this. You and ftb have figured out what all the lawyers and everybody else that has read the agreement have been unable to see.
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Old 07-07-2012, 12:28 PM
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Nah. I'm tired of this. You and ftb have figured out what all the lawyers and everybody else that has read the agreement have been unable to see.
You're tired of it because you don't know your source material... only repeating what you've been told, so you can't hold a factual discourse back and forth.
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Old 07-07-2012, 12:29 PM
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What about the 102 70-seaters that they get to keep in the new TA? It increase the amount of large RJs by 70. That's fact, not speculation.
Reduce 70-seat capacity from unlimited to 102, while reducing 76-seat capacity from 255 to 223. Not bad.
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Old 07-07-2012, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Hulls are meaningless. Your logic is hopelessly flawed.
Exactly, pilot jobs come from block hours, not hulls. Block hours are far more important.

Capturing a greater share of Delta brand flying for the mainline, while placing hard caps on DCI, which will limit DCI's ability to increase block hours was a scope home run.
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:19 PM
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What makes me feel better is they are called hard caps now instead of just caps. What a good deal!
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You're tired of it because you don't know your source material... only repeating what you've been told, so you can't hold a factual discourse back and forth.
Weak. No.. I am tired of arguing with you and ftb because you have latched onto one solitary concept.. which is wrong.. and spout THAT like it is gospel and you found the Holy Grail of mistakes. No.. Ya'll just go on believing whatever it is that you think you've fond, and I will go by the contract language that I have read and understand perfectly.

Bye bye..
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
What makes me feel better is they are called hard caps now instead of just caps. What a good deal!
Exactly. We COULD get hit by a meteor tomorrow, and they would be meaningless.
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Old 07-07-2012, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Hulls are meaningless. Your logic is hopelessly flawed.
No they are not meaningless. Adding the 717s adds 76 seaters but we never required the mainline hull count to increase. So they can increase 76 seaters now without increasing mainline. Meaning no need for new jobs.

Now as to the ratio, there is no requirement that the consolidated block hours remains the same. Meaning our share can increase from 54% to 61% and no yield a single new job.

54% of $1 = $0.54. 61% of $0.89 = $0.54. Your share increased but that's all that increased.

If giving away large regional jets from 255 to 325 isn't bad enough, we gave away more jets for no guarantee of growth.

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I cannot debate the items that you focused on while excluding the other parts that you totally ignore. It is important, but you ignore them. You win.
I won't apologize for making scope my number one priority. I don't care what Sections 2-28 say, if Section 1 is increasing the number of big regional jets.

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Yet you seemed so thrilled on the "guarantee of new airplanes" in the TA.
That's a good point. Hulls are meaningless except that we should be celebrating the arrival of new 717s.
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Old 07-07-2012, 02:17 PM
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Reduce 70-seat capacity from unlimited to 102, while reducing 76-seat capacity from 255 to 223. Not bad.
Increase large regional jets from 255 to 325, no longer require mainline to grow beyond 767 aircraft to increase the number of 76 seaters from 153, dropped the requirement to remove 70 seat jets as we increased 76 seaters, and exempted RAH from language meant to prevent RAH type operations flying Delta Connection and operating Airbus sized airliners.

Pretty bad.
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