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07-05-2012, 03:56 PM
#141
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Under the old contract they could have unlimited growth at DCI, while cutting back mainline flying and jobs. Under the new contract, they can't
Yeah, the old contract was a far better deal.
07-05-2012, 04:30 PM
#142
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07-05-2012, 04:46 PM
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And under the old contract they could get 255 76-seat jets, 32 more than the new contract, and then dump mainline aircraft, but keep the 76-seat jets with no block hour ratio mandating an increase in the percentage of mainline flying with the addition of the 76-seat jets.
They could add 88 B717s and park 117 MD-88s, in that order, and still be compliant with the strictest ratio without DCI losing a single super premium jumbo RJ.
There isn't an improvement in my view over the PWA in the pump and dump language in comparison to a 88 B717 addition to the last contract and dumped for 117 MD-88s. The 1.56 ratio provides them the ability to have their cake and eat it too in that regard.
Outsourcing limited to 50 seaters and Q400s? Run that by Jeff Smisek and see what he thinks of that.
07-05-2012, 05:44 PM
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Put it this way about pumping and dumping, per the old PWA you had to pump 86 airplanes in before you could dump airplanes out. Pump then dump.
The TA allows you to pump while you dump.
It's almost like we were part of a
The TA allows you to pump while you dump.
It's almost like we were part of a
07-05-2012, 06:03 PM
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Have to raise the BS flag FTB, under the new contract the company can not put 255 super jumbo, super premium 76-seat mega large jets at DCI, that number has been reduced by 32, down to 223. A 12.5% reduction is mega large super premium jumbo ultra shiny incredibly wonderful 76-seat jets. Under the previous contract they could put more 76-seat RJs at DCI, that's a fact, not speculation.
07-05-2012, 06:16 PM
#146
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Have to raise the BS flag FTB, under the new contract the company can not put 255 super jumbo, super premium 76-seat mega large jets at DCI, that number has been reduced by 32, down to 223. A 12.5% reduction is mega large super premium jumbo ultra shiny incredibly wonderful 76-seat jets. Under the previous contract they could put more 76-seat RJs at DCI, that's a fact, not speculation.
07-05-2012, 06:33 PM
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Have to raise the BS flag FTB, under the new contract the company can not put 255 super jumbo, super premium 76-seat mega large jets at DCI, that number has been reduced by 32, down to 223. A 12.5% reduction is mega large super premium jumbo ultra shiny incredibly wonderful 76-seat jets. Under the previous contract they could put more 76-seat RJs at DCI, that's a fact, not speculation.
As to the rest of your post, I've already touched on that but remember we would not be at 223 76-seaters without growing mainline by 72 airplanes from where we are today. Now we can have 223 large RJs just as long as we acquire 717s. We're missing mainline fleet protection.
The TA allows pumping while dumping, PWA did not.
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07-05-2012, 11:49 PM
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ftb Quotes:
They can do the same with the TA, the 76 seaters do not have to be parked once their numbers are reached.
Finish the thought... what happens next in your view?
They could add 88 B717s and park 117 MD-88s, in that order, and still be compliant with the strictest ratio without DCI losing a single super premium jumbo RJ.
So what? It has ZERO to do with jobs at that point. The jobs are recaptured, and set in stone.
There isn't an improvement in my view over the PWA in the pump and dump language in comparison to a 88 B717 addition to the last contract and dumped for 117 MD-88s. The 1.56 ratio provides them the ability to have their cake and eat it too in that regard.
This explains a lot. You are CHOOSING to ignore facts about the agreement. Sad really. I thought you were smarter than this. Guess I was wrong.
They can do the same with the TA, the 76 seaters do not have to be parked once their numbers are reached.
Finish the thought... what happens next in your view?
They could add 88 B717s and park 117 MD-88s, in that order, and still be compliant with the strictest ratio without DCI losing a single super premium jumbo RJ.
So what? It has ZERO to do with jobs at that point. The jobs are recaptured, and set in stone.
There isn't an improvement in my view over the PWA in the pump and dump language in comparison to a 88 B717 addition to the last contract and dumped for 117 MD-88s. The 1.56 ratio provides them the ability to have their cake and eat it too in that regard.
This explains a lot. You are CHOOSING to ignore facts about the agreement. Sad really. I thought you were smarter than this. Guess I was wrong.
07-05-2012, 11:50 PM
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I was referring to how both the PWA and TA both say the 76 seat fleet not be reduced once their numbers are raised.
As to the rest of your post, I've already touched on that but remember we would not be at 223 76-seaters without growing mainline by 72 airplanes from where we are today. Now we can have 223 large RJs just as long as we acquire 717s. We're missing mainline fleet protection.
The TA allows pumping while dumping, PWA did not.
As to the rest of your post, I've already touched on that but remember we would not be at 223 76-seaters without growing mainline by 72 airplanes from where we are today. Now we can have 223 large RJs just as long as we acquire 717s. We're missing mainline fleet protection.
The TA allows pumping while dumping, PWA did not.
This is a LIE.
07-05-2012, 11:50 PM
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