Management "Strikes" Back
05-13-2012, 07:54 PM
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Management "Strikes" Back
Most recent update: May 13, 2012
Negotiations with ALPA continue to make progress and, as previously reported, meeting dates have been scheduled through mid-June. ALPA is mischaracterizing the mid-June timeframe as the end of negotiations, which is a deadline of their own making. The unilateral timeline ALPA has described in its communications has not been agreed to by the NMB mediators nor the company. As previously noted, the parties on April 11 rejected establishment of a deadline.
ALPA has also written to the National Mediation Board to request to be released from mediation. The request is premature and counter-productive. This is occurring at the same time the union is acknowledging that progress is being made at the table. To help clarify current status and to restate that the company is committing to carrying negotiations through to a successful agreement, Flight Operations leaders have provided an update letter to pilots.
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...-to-pilots.pdf
Negotiations with ALPA continue to make progress and, as previously reported, meeting dates have been scheduled through mid-June. ALPA is mischaracterizing the mid-June timeframe as the end of negotiations, which is a deadline of their own making. The unilateral timeline ALPA has described in its communications has not been agreed to by the NMB mediators nor the company. As previously noted, the parties on April 11 rejected establishment of a deadline.
ALPA has also written to the National Mediation Board to request to be released from mediation. The request is premature and counter-productive. This is occurring at the same time the union is acknowledging that progress is being made at the table. To help clarify current status and to restate that the company is committing to carrying negotiations through to a successful agreement, Flight Operations leaders have provided an update letter to pilots.
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...-to-pilots.pdf
05-13-2012, 10:14 PM
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Isn't there something in the FOM that says "Tell The Truth" somewhere? Is that only for real pilots, and it doesn't apply to desk pilots?
And I seem to remember 28 years ago when I was getting my ATP that one of the requirements was for the applicant to be "of good moral character"? I guess that doesn't apply to management pilots.
And I seem to remember 28 years ago when I was getting my ATP that one of the requirements was for the applicant to be "of good moral character"? I guess that doesn't apply to management pilots.
05-13-2012, 11:53 PM
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Most recent update: May 13, 2012
Negotiations with ALPA continue to make progress and, as previously reported, meeting dates have been scheduled through mid-June. ALPA is mischaracterizing the mid-June timeframe as the end of negotiations, which is a deadline of their own making. The unilateral timeline ALPA has described in its communications has not been agreed to by the NMB mediators nor the company. As previously noted, the parties on April 11 rejected establishment of a deadline.
ALPA has also written to the National Mediation Board to request to be released from mediation. The request is premature and counter-productive. This is occurring at the same time the union is acknowledging that progress is being made at the table. To help clarify current status and to restate that the company is committing to carrying negotiations through to a successful agreement, Flight Operations leaders have provided an update letter to pilots.
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...-to-pilots.pdf
Negotiations with ALPA continue to make progress and, as previously reported, meeting dates have been scheduled through mid-June. ALPA is mischaracterizing the mid-June timeframe as the end of negotiations, which is a deadline of their own making. The unilateral timeline ALPA has described in its communications has not been agreed to by the NMB mediators nor the company. As previously noted, the parties on April 11 rejected establishment of a deadline.
ALPA has also written to the National Mediation Board to request to be released from mediation. The request is premature and counter-productive. This is occurring at the same time the union is acknowledging that progress is being made at the table. To help clarify current status and to restate that the company is committing to carrying negotiations through to a successful agreement, Flight Operations leaders have provided an update letter to pilots.
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...-to-pilots.pdf
05-14-2012, 04:58 AM
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I hope JP reads this update. How can it be SO obvious to everyone but him that the company has ZERO intention of completing negotiations one minute before the strike deadline. It didn't take long for them to use his constant "We are making great progress" updates against us.
05-14-2012, 05:45 AM
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I hope JP reads this update. How can it be SO obvious to everyone but him that the company has ZERO intention of completing negotiations one minute before the strike deadline. It didn't take long for them to use his constant "We are making great progress" updates against us.
"both Master Chairmen, the NMB and management agreed to a negotiating process with a goal of completing terms of the JCBA by mid-June. For some time now, we have been working to speed up the negotiations and bring the highest levels of management to the table. In the end, all parties agreed to a process, which again, was designed to outline the terms of the JCBA by mid-June. The JNC has found good success by using small groups of negotiators and SMEs to problem-solve and negotiate solutions. Since that process is functioning well, we worked to find ways to expand on its success, including tightening the timeline within each small group"
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer JP.
05-14-2012, 06:18 AM
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Yes indeed. Howard Attarian a.k.a. "T-Bird" was a former ALPA negotiator for NWA, wasn't he? It's pretty obvious now that JAY PIERCE is of the same cut of meat. It's just amazing that so many of our intelligent CO-workers refuse to believe it.
05-14-2012, 06:26 AM
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Where's that book of mine... Oh here it is.. "Confessions of a Union Buster". Fred's moves are all detailed right here. I would HIGHLY recommend everyone read it and understand this is a carefully planned move on the part of Fred and company. CAL has used these tactics repeatly over the last 3.5 years.
05-14-2012, 06:49 AM
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To all UCH Pilots,
I generally hate going tit-for-tat with management's spin machine. Today, I can't help but respond to the latest message put out by Fred Abbott and Howard Attarian.
Absent any recognition of our rightful frustration over the length of time our joint negotiations have taken, and without accepting any responsibility for the grossly extended timeline, management instead claims to have negotiated in good faith and characterizes our request for release as "premature" and "counterproductive".
What a bunch of bloviated bovine manure. The CAL CBA is 3 years, 4 months and 14 days past it's amendable date. The UAL contract is one year less. We have been negotiating the scheduling sections for 15 months. Pardon me, but if management thinks we are acting prematurely with our request to take these negotiations to their next logical step, I can't help but ask what they think the proper gestation period for a JCBA should be?
Last July, management decided to negotiate in public using their website. Their opening salvo that day was to publish what they portrayed as a summary of their opening position. Of course, they left out significant details of their proposal. Pilots from both L-CAL and L-UAL were righteously outraged, and demonstrated this by writing "NO" on the alleged proposal summary and giving them to their CPO.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "Well, there you go again". On the same website, you will find this letter from management. It's long past time that management gets the message: It is time to get a contract NOW. With that in mind, I suggest that you take a similar action as you did last year. Find a copy of the letter, write NOW on it, and return it to your CPO. Pass it on. Maybe - just maybe - management will get the message.
One Union, One Voice.
CAL MEC Chairman
I generally hate going tit-for-tat with management's spin machine. Today, I can't help but respond to the latest message put out by Fred Abbott and Howard Attarian.
Absent any recognition of our rightful frustration over the length of time our joint negotiations have taken, and without accepting any responsibility for the grossly extended timeline, management instead claims to have negotiated in good faith and characterizes our request for release as "premature" and "counterproductive".
What a bunch of bloviated bovine manure. The CAL CBA is 3 years, 4 months and 14 days past it's amendable date. The UAL contract is one year less. We have been negotiating the scheduling sections for 15 months. Pardon me, but if management thinks we are acting prematurely with our request to take these negotiations to their next logical step, I can't help but ask what they think the proper gestation period for a JCBA should be?
Last July, management decided to negotiate in public using their website. Their opening salvo that day was to publish what they portrayed as a summary of their opening position. Of course, they left out significant details of their proposal. Pilots from both L-CAL and L-UAL were righteously outraged, and demonstrated this by writing "NO" on the alleged proposal summary and giving them to their CPO.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "Well, there you go again". On the same website, you will find this letter from management. It's long past time that management gets the message: It is time to get a contract NOW. With that in mind, I suggest that you take a similar action as you did last year. Find a copy of the letter, write NOW on it, and return it to your CPO. Pass it on. Maybe - just maybe - management will get the message.
One Union, One Voice.
CAL MEC Chairman
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