Release OFFICIALLY requested
05-14-2012, 07:11 PM
#32
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Today we have the perfect opportunity to see whether the money and loyalty we have spent as a union will have been worth it.
The question is, if the NMB, and by default the POTUS, defer or equivocate on our request for release does he still deserve our loyalty as Airline Pilots/Employees?
The question is, if the NMB, and by default the POTUS, defer or equivocate on our request for release does he still deserve our loyalty as Airline Pilots/Employees?
I think the real question is this: Does the POTUS feel obligated to repay the promisory note?
He made big promises to get labors vote. Is he willing to brush aside the "too big to fail - too big to go on strike" mentality his poltical advisors, A4A, and Wall Street will be telling him? Will he be willing to put the economy further at risk with the nations largest carrier getting ready to go on strike?
I think Obama is weak at heart when he is taking the risks. I think he blinks. But, if he holds on and fights for labor and lets labor fight for themselves and use all of their tools, then he's got my vote.
He needs to show up on June 15th and speak for labor, or he needs to run and hide and just pretend like it is another day on the calendar and go play golf and refuse to step in and stop us.
05-14-2012, 07:23 PM
#33
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No, the role of government is actually smaller in those countries. However, those governments have a great impact in making smart policies. Not sure what your metrics are, but those countries are lean and mean when it comes to GDP.
All of the countries you mentioned changed their unemployment laws about 10 years ago to discourage unemployment (encourage productivity). look at the legal structure of their laws governing unemployment, homelessness, social security, and compensation via social programs (food stamps, public assistance).
Those countries don't pay for people to sit at home, watch the view, smoke crack, and make babies.
05-14-2012, 09:08 PM
#34
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Position: Recovering Airline Pilot
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Question for my leftward-leaning brothers and sisters:
ALPA has long touted its close realtionship with Labor and, by association, the democratic side of the aisle.(Although not in every issue) In addition to my dues, I am asked to contribute money to "Back th PAC". Those that do contribute are championed by the union in the "Roll of Distinction".
I generally have no problem with this, as long as it produces tangible results and doesn't undermine unity, which I believe is the real strength of the union, above politics.
Today we have the perfect opportunity to see whether the money and loyalty we have spent as a union will have been worth it.
The question is, if the NMB, and by default the POTUS, defer or equivocate on our request for release does he still deserve our loyalty as Airline Pilots/Employees?
ALPA has long touted its close realtionship with Labor and, by association, the democratic side of the aisle.(Although not in every issue) In addition to my dues, I am asked to contribute money to "Back th PAC". Those that do contribute are championed by the union in the "Roll of Distinction".
I generally have no problem with this, as long as it produces tangible results and doesn't undermine unity, which I believe is the real strength of the union, above politics.
Today we have the perfect opportunity to see whether the money and loyalty we have spent as a union will have been worth it.
The question is, if the NMB, and by default the POTUS, defer or equivocate on our request for release does he still deserve our loyalty as Airline Pilots/Employees?
Look at it from his perspective. He's trying to get re-elected to another 4-year term, and all he really needs is a few months of time to get it done without any major unrest that the Republicans can use against him. A major airline strike right before the election would doom his campaign.
05-15-2012, 06:40 AM
#35
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The President could just as easily ask the opposite question of ALPA: "I do you guys a favor by putting the most pro-labor NMB in recent history in place, and you thank me by trying to go on strike just months before my re-election?"
Look at it from his perspective. He's trying to get re-elected to another 4-year term, and all he really needs is a few months of time to get it done without any major unrest that the Republicans can use against him. A major airline strike right before the election would doom his campaign.
Look at it from his perspective. He's trying to get re-elected to another 4-year term, and all he really needs is a few months of time to get it done without any major unrest that the Republicans can use against him. A major airline strike right before the election would doom his campaign.
05-15-2012, 09:43 AM
#36
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I agree with Freight Dawg's sarcasm...
If we don't get released I'll just count it as another lie from this administration about supporting labor.
05-15-2012, 10:04 AM
#37
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I don't see the NMB releasing you before the elections this November. Even after that...the odds aren't very good. Why? The RLA.
You're the biggest carrier in the U.S. and you think Wall Street is just going to let you walk? Look at how long it took the Spirit pilots to get released and they're 1/20th your size.
You're the biggest carrier in the U.S. and you think Wall Street is just going to let you walk? Look at how long it took the Spirit pilots to get released and they're 1/20th your size.
05-15-2012, 10:39 AM
#38
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Yeah...All I've heard from the union is Obama this and Obama that. Now somebody is saying that this isn't a "good time" to ask for release. TOTAL B.S.!
I agree with Freight Dawg's sarcasm...
If we don't get released I'll just count it as another lie from this administration about supporting labor.
I agree with Freight Dawg's sarcasm...
If we don't get released I'll just count it as another lie from this administration about supporting labor.
05-15-2012, 01:20 PM
#39
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I don't see the NMB releasing you before the elections this November. Even after that...the odds aren't very good. Why? The RLA.
You're the biggest carrier in the U.S. and you think Wall Street is just going to let you walk? Look at how long it took the Spirit pilots to get released and they're 1/20th your size.
You're the biggest carrier in the U.S. and you think Wall Street is just going to let you walk? Look at how long it took the Spirit pilots to get released and they're 1/20th your size.
I KNOW it's crazy talk, but it IS an option right?
05-15-2012, 02:07 PM
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