More CONFUSION
04-28-2012, 06:32 PM
#61
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Regular Guy-
A couple of questions..
You wrote The meeting won't happen because JP required the UAL MEC to drop its grievance on the PS as a requirement.
from the other blog:
"I asked my rep if a condition of meeting was that we drop our PS grievance. He said that was true and the LUAL MEC said NFW!"
Is that coming from a UAL Rep or a CAL Rep? I have not heard that and if that is true, I will question Jay P at the next LEC meeting on that! It's BS as your Grievance is against the company, not the CAL MEC.
And it was also my understanding that the Grievance was also about the amount of your payout.. if I'm correct. If not, please correct me.
You also mention that..
Under the current LUAL CBA all replacement jets and new jets will go largely to the LUAL side of the house, inclusive of RJ flying.
Are you saying that you believe that all the 787's and the 737's that are currently on the (old) CAL's order book would NOT go to the CAL side?
I do not see any way that would happen without a major grievance filed by the CAL Side, not to mention the fact that you no longer fly the 737's and to date not one UAL Pilot has been trained on the 787.
Seems as one of the problems now is that daily, if not hourly(!) we are hearing new rumors and "hearsay" of what is going on, on the other side and from other councils within the same pilot group!
This is going to get messier before it gets better.
Then again, guess we'll know more by Monday night.. the first date that Jay H put down~
Motch
A couple of questions..
You wrote The meeting won't happen because JP required the UAL MEC to drop its grievance on the PS as a requirement.
from the other blog:
"I asked my rep if a condition of meeting was that we drop our PS grievance. He said that was true and the LUAL MEC said NFW!"
Is that coming from a UAL Rep or a CAL Rep? I have not heard that and if that is true, I will question Jay P at the next LEC meeting on that! It's BS as your Grievance is against the company, not the CAL MEC.
And it was also my understanding that the Grievance was also about the amount of your payout.. if I'm correct. If not, please correct me.
You also mention that..
Under the current LUAL CBA all replacement jets and new jets will go largely to the LUAL side of the house, inclusive of RJ flying.
Are you saying that you believe that all the 787's and the 737's that are currently on the (old) CAL's order book would NOT go to the CAL side?
I do not see any way that would happen without a major grievance filed by the CAL Side, not to mention the fact that you no longer fly the 737's and to date not one UAL Pilot has been trained on the 787.
Seems as one of the problems now is that daily, if not hourly(!) we are hearing new rumors and "hearsay" of what is going on, on the other side and from other councils within the same pilot group!
This is going to get messier before it gets better.
Then again, guess we'll know more by Monday night.. the first date that Jay H put down~
Motch
04-28-2012, 06:45 PM
#62
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horrido27:
This stuff comes from UAL LEC rep.
Now I don't know much about LCAL MEC and its reps but I have learned and the UAL reps have learned that lying to the pilots will always backfire. It was a Dubinskiism and the tradition has stood the test of decades here at UAL.
While we may be kept out of the loop until the facts are needed to be distributed I have NEVER had a rep lie to me or be less than accurate in spite of all the politics. It is a UAL MEC tradition which goes back the three plus decades I've been here at UAL a pilot.
This stuff comes from UAL LEC rep.
Now I don't know much about LCAL MEC and its reps but I have learned and the UAL reps have learned that lying to the pilots will always backfire. It was a Dubinskiism and the tradition has stood the test of decades here at UAL.
While we may be kept out of the loop until the facts are needed to be distributed I have NEVER had a rep lie to me or be less than accurate in spite of all the politics. It is a UAL MEC tradition which goes back the three plus decades I've been here at UAL a pilot.
04-28-2012, 06:48 PM
#63
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Horrido27
"This is going to get messier before it gets better."
Very very true!!!!
You bet the UCH boys and girls are making plans about how this will save them hundreds of millions in this squabble.
"This is going to get messier before it gets better."
Very very true!!!!
You bet the UCH boys and girls are making plans about how this will save them hundreds of millions in this squabble.
04-28-2012, 06:52 PM
#64
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Horrido:
"Are you saying that you believe that all the 787's and the 737's that are currently on the (old) CAL's order book would NOT go to the CAL side?
I do not see any way that would happen without a major grievance filed by the CAL Side, not to mention the fact that you no longer fly the 737's and to date not one UAL Pilot has been trained on the 787."
The 787 orders from CAL, 25 I believe, are yours and most of the 737 on the books may be yours if the TPA expires. Why most? because the orders weren't firmed with financing until this year and your block hour guarantees are probably going to be exceeded soon.
Yes there will be a grievance and that is why JP agreed to the TPA extension because it eliminates and provides language about who gets what airplanes until replacements begin. When the TPA dies much of those guarantees die with them. and the issue will be maintaining the RJs!!!
"Are you saying that you believe that all the 787's and the 737's that are currently on the (old) CAL's order book would NOT go to the CAL side?
I do not see any way that would happen without a major grievance filed by the CAL Side, not to mention the fact that you no longer fly the 737's and to date not one UAL Pilot has been trained on the 787."
The 787 orders from CAL, 25 I believe, are yours and most of the 737 on the books may be yours if the TPA expires. Why most? because the orders weren't firmed with financing until this year and your block hour guarantees are probably going to be exceeded soon.
Yes there will be a grievance and that is why JP agreed to the TPA extension because it eliminates and provides language about who gets what airplanes until replacements begin. When the TPA dies much of those guarantees die with them. and the issue will be maintaining the RJs!!!
04-28-2012, 08:09 PM
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Horrido:
"Are you saying that you believe that all the 787's and the 737's that are currently on the (old) CAL's order book would NOT go to the CAL side?
I do not see any way that would happen without a major grievance filed by the CAL Side, not to mention the fact that you no longer fly the 737's and to date not one UAL Pilot has been trained on the 787."
The 787 orders from CAL, 25 I believe, are yours and most of the 737 on the books may be yours if the TPA expires. Why most? because the orders weren't firmed with financing until this year and your block hour guarantees are probably going to be exceeded soon.
Yes there will be a grievance and that is why JP agreed to the TPA extension because it eliminates and provides language about who gets what airplanes until replacements begin. When the TPA dies much of those guarantees die with them. and the issue will be maintaining the RJs!!!
"Are you saying that you believe that all the 787's and the 737's that are currently on the (old) CAL's order book would NOT go to the CAL side?
I do not see any way that would happen without a major grievance filed by the CAL Side, not to mention the fact that you no longer fly the 737's and to date not one UAL Pilot has been trained on the 787."
The 787 orders from CAL, 25 I believe, are yours and most of the 737 on the books may be yours if the TPA expires. Why most? because the orders weren't firmed with financing until this year and your block hour guarantees are probably going to be exceeded soon.
Yes there will be a grievance and that is why JP agreed to the TPA extension because it eliminates and provides language about who gets what airplanes until replacements begin. When the TPA dies much of those guarantees die with them. and the issue will be maintaining the RJs!!!
04-28-2012, 09:08 PM
#67
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Warwagon
Have you read the TPA and the Provisions for aircraft replacement? Have you read the UAL CBA and what operations it covers? Have you asked your rep who flies the airplanes according to either?
Have you read the private blog?
Have you asked your rep anything at all?
Dude the UCH boys want RJs they will either self help them or drag the contract out as long as they can to keep them.
So where am I pulling any ones chain? Ask your rep, UAL I assume or are you just a wild outsider posting like you are an authority????
Have you read the TPA and the Provisions for aircraft replacement? Have you read the UAL CBA and what operations it covers? Have you asked your rep who flies the airplanes according to either?
Have you read the private blog?
Have you asked your rep anything at all?
Dude the UCH boys want RJs they will either self help them or drag the contract out as long as they can to keep them.
So where am I pulling any ones chain? Ask your rep, UAL I assume or are you just a wild outsider posting like you are an authority????
04-29-2012, 04:14 AM
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Latest CAL MEC blastmail.....not sure what is going on............
FROM THE CHAIRMAN
Last week, rather than write my typical Friday brief, I instead published the CAL MEC’s statement to all United Continental Holdings (UCH) pilots. In that letter, the MEC recognized the deep anger and frustration felt by all pilots over the length of time it has taken to begin making real progress in negotiations. We committed to supporting actions that we believe are well thought out and that will realistically influence a prompt JCBA resolution. And we included a requirement, in the interests of the Continental pilots, that we work in partnership with the UAL MEC to reach a JCBA that meets all of our pilots’ goals. Our goal remains steadfast — to negotiate a quality contract for all UCH pilots in as timely a fashion as possible. This week, I want to expand on what we said last week.
One of the basic tenets the MEC agreed to last week was that we will support ideas, tactics or strategies that we believe are well thought out and will positively affect our ability to achieve a quality contract. This concept, by its nature, requires that the ideas, tactics and strategies be evaluated on their merits and considered absent emotion or political motivation. This includes seeking a release (beginning with a proffer of arbitration) from the National Mediation Board (NMB), which must be compared against those criteria. Your CAL MEC has used these fundamentals internally in formulating strategies and plans over its history. As part of our letter from Friday, we sought to carry this concept forward, stating that the two Master Chairmen must agree on standards for major negotiating initiatives such as, and including, the Heppner Plan announced last week.
This is not new ground to be covered. We used this concept and met those standards recently, when both Master Chairmen, the NMB and management agreed to a negotiating process with a goal of completing terms of the JCBA by mid-June. For some time now, we have been working to speed up the negotiations and bring the highest levels of management to the table. In the end, all parties agreed to a process, which again, was designed to outline the terms of the JCBA by mid-June. The JNC has found good success by using small groups of negotiators and SMEs to problem-solve and negotiate solutions. Since that process is functioning well, we worked to find ways to expand on its success, including tightening the timeline within each small group. There are times that in these settings, solutions acceptable to the pilot group are not found. Thus, we agreed to establish a hierarchy (the JNC, then the JNC Co-Chairs, and then the MEC Chairmen, along with their management counterparts), to work contentious problems toward solutions. This way, difficult issues will not be left to churn at the table, impeding progress. In essence, this is a mechanism that ensures access to the resources and decision-makers needed for complex problem-solving. In order for this to work, there has to be a real commitment from the JNC, the Master Chairmen and management to constantly monitor progress and act on issues that need attention. The NMB, in its oversight role, monitors the parties to ensure each is honoring its commitments and to apply pressure should one of them (for instance, management) drag their feet.
Following the announcement of the Heppner Plan, there was concern from the CAL MEC and all of our advisors (inside and outside ALPA) that the plan could produce a negative reaction from the NMB. There is a well-defined process under the Railway Labor Act (RLA) to appropriately achieve release, and I think it is a valid concern that the NMB might look poorly on those who seek to shortcut or circumvent it, especially when those attempts are announced publicly. No one likes to be perceived as being coerced, especially a governmental agency that is intended to remain immune from undue influence in order to perform its mission. Of course the NMB will avoid even a hint that releases are available to the highest bidder. We are concerned that instead of helping us, this tactic could backfire and actually damage the support we have spent years building within the NMB; or worse yet, delay our ability to seek release at the time most opportune for completion of the JCBA. NMB release, as described as the goal in the Heppner Plan, should not be the goal. The goal should be getting the JCBA done — with the right contract, not just any contract.
In the past week, due to reports I received regarding the NMB’s negative reaction to the public announcements made by Chairman Heppner, I reached out to the NMB with our assurances that the CAL MEC remains committed to the process we all agreed upon just a few weeks ago. I affirmed our understanding of and support for their authority under the RLA, including if we (now or in the future) seek additional support, including a request for release to self-help. I am pleased that they seem willing to look past the public statements made and to move forward to continue work on the JCBA under the previously agreed-upon process. In fact, we are working on a plan to enter into a two-week period of intense negotiations overseen by the highest levels of the NMB. Through this style of “end game” negotiations, we can work quickly to pare down the number of open items. We can begin to paint a picture where release could be used viably as a tool to get the contract done. This also provides the NMB an opportunity to evaluate the commitment by management to negotiate to a conclusion instead of dragging their feet.
The CAL MEC remains committed to working in partnership with the UAL MEC. We expect that same commitment from the UAL MEC. In last Friday’s meeting, the MEC directed me to work with Capt. Heppner to develop a protocol that will spell out the conditions necessary for us to seek a release to self-help. This protocol can also serve as an understanding that major negotiating initiatives must be agreed to by both MECs if they are to be successful. As we said in our statement, “Any strategy for achieving a fair contract on a timely basis must include solidarity and open communication between the pilot groups.” The MEC also directed me to meet with the lobbyist hired by the UAL MEC and report back.
Toward that end, beginning last Friday night, I reached out to Capt. Heppner several times via email and phone to set up a meeting to start on the protocol and meet with their lobbyist. On Tuesday evening of this week, I finally received his rejection to both my meeting request and the CAL MEC’s stipulation that we develop negotiating strategies in partnership. Simply put, his refusal to discuss the protocol the CAL MEC insists upon attempts to deny CAL pilots, through their leadership, a voice in this major negotiating initiative. By default, he is saying that he will continue to set negotiating policy, independent of the CAL MEC or the JNC, neither of whom approved of or were included in the development or implementation of the Heppner Plan.
This single-handed approach will not work. In contract negotiations, unity is our leverage and we must work together. With that in mind, this past weekend I also sent Capt. Heppner suggested dates in May for a joint meeting of the MECs. To address our legal concerns with the UAL MEC’s TPA grievance over our participation in 2011 profit sharing, I additionally included some minor stipulations for the meeting. Regrettably, Capt. Heppner refused to address our concerns or agree to any of the dates I suggested. However, because a partnered approach is vital to the success of this effort, I will continue to try and get a joint meeting scheduled and to work with the UAL leadership. Our pilots, all 12,000 of them, deserve nothing less.
In closing, my preference would have been to report to you that following our MEC meeting last Friday, I contacted the UAL MEC leadership and we agreed to meet to discuss the CAL MEC’s concerns and perspective. I wish I could say that I met with their lobbyist and that those concerns were addressed to our satisfaction. I wish I could say that the two Master Chairmen sat down and hammered out the criteria for a request for release by the NMB that included the concept of partnership between the MECs going forward. I would prefer to report that we had been able to put in place some basic rules for a joint meeting, and that the meeting is scheduled for May. I wish I could say that the voice of the CAL pilots is well represented in the Heppner Plan and we are moving forward together as 12,000 pilots.
It saddens me to no end that I am unable to report any of this. I can only say that the CAL MEC remains committed to a true partnership based on respect and inclusion, and that I will continue to work towards achieving that partnership. We will not, however, give the UAL MEC or anyone else a blank check to be written against the CAL pilots’ future. We will continue to honor our commitment to the process agreed to by the MECs, the NMB and management that was designed to reach terms of a deal by mid-June. We will continue our attempts to advance the plan already contemplated for two weeks of expedited negotiations beginning in May.
The decisions of the UAL MEC leadership this week do not mean that we stop work or that we will not consider future plans, so long as they have merit. Our goal is to reach a JCBA that meets the needs of our pilots, as quickly as possible. We do not care who comes up with a good idea, only that it is vetted properly to ensure it is a good idea. There will be many more plans and many more strategies suggested. I hope that they are allowed to mature and ripen to usefulness through joint action; because, I repeat, any strategy for achieving a fair contract on a timely basis must include solidarity and open communication between the pilot groups.
FROM THE CHAIRMAN
Last week, rather than write my typical Friday brief, I instead published the CAL MEC’s statement to all United Continental Holdings (UCH) pilots. In that letter, the MEC recognized the deep anger and frustration felt by all pilots over the length of time it has taken to begin making real progress in negotiations. We committed to supporting actions that we believe are well thought out and that will realistically influence a prompt JCBA resolution. And we included a requirement, in the interests of the Continental pilots, that we work in partnership with the UAL MEC to reach a JCBA that meets all of our pilots’ goals. Our goal remains steadfast — to negotiate a quality contract for all UCH pilots in as timely a fashion as possible. This week, I want to expand on what we said last week.
One of the basic tenets the MEC agreed to last week was that we will support ideas, tactics or strategies that we believe are well thought out and will positively affect our ability to achieve a quality contract. This concept, by its nature, requires that the ideas, tactics and strategies be evaluated on their merits and considered absent emotion or political motivation. This includes seeking a release (beginning with a proffer of arbitration) from the National Mediation Board (NMB), which must be compared against those criteria. Your CAL MEC has used these fundamentals internally in formulating strategies and plans over its history. As part of our letter from Friday, we sought to carry this concept forward, stating that the two Master Chairmen must agree on standards for major negotiating initiatives such as, and including, the Heppner Plan announced last week.
This is not new ground to be covered. We used this concept and met those standards recently, when both Master Chairmen, the NMB and management agreed to a negotiating process with a goal of completing terms of the JCBA by mid-June. For some time now, we have been working to speed up the negotiations and bring the highest levels of management to the table. In the end, all parties agreed to a process, which again, was designed to outline the terms of the JCBA by mid-June. The JNC has found good success by using small groups of negotiators and SMEs to problem-solve and negotiate solutions. Since that process is functioning well, we worked to find ways to expand on its success, including tightening the timeline within each small group. There are times that in these settings, solutions acceptable to the pilot group are not found. Thus, we agreed to establish a hierarchy (the JNC, then the JNC Co-Chairs, and then the MEC Chairmen, along with their management counterparts), to work contentious problems toward solutions. This way, difficult issues will not be left to churn at the table, impeding progress. In essence, this is a mechanism that ensures access to the resources and decision-makers needed for complex problem-solving. In order for this to work, there has to be a real commitment from the JNC, the Master Chairmen and management to constantly monitor progress and act on issues that need attention. The NMB, in its oversight role, monitors the parties to ensure each is honoring its commitments and to apply pressure should one of them (for instance, management) drag their feet.
Following the announcement of the Heppner Plan, there was concern from the CAL MEC and all of our advisors (inside and outside ALPA) that the plan could produce a negative reaction from the NMB. There is a well-defined process under the Railway Labor Act (RLA) to appropriately achieve release, and I think it is a valid concern that the NMB might look poorly on those who seek to shortcut or circumvent it, especially when those attempts are announced publicly. No one likes to be perceived as being coerced, especially a governmental agency that is intended to remain immune from undue influence in order to perform its mission. Of course the NMB will avoid even a hint that releases are available to the highest bidder. We are concerned that instead of helping us, this tactic could backfire and actually damage the support we have spent years building within the NMB; or worse yet, delay our ability to seek release at the time most opportune for completion of the JCBA. NMB release, as described as the goal in the Heppner Plan, should not be the goal. The goal should be getting the JCBA done — with the right contract, not just any contract.
In the past week, due to reports I received regarding the NMB’s negative reaction to the public announcements made by Chairman Heppner, I reached out to the NMB with our assurances that the CAL MEC remains committed to the process we all agreed upon just a few weeks ago. I affirmed our understanding of and support for their authority under the RLA, including if we (now or in the future) seek additional support, including a request for release to self-help. I am pleased that they seem willing to look past the public statements made and to move forward to continue work on the JCBA under the previously agreed-upon process. In fact, we are working on a plan to enter into a two-week period of intense negotiations overseen by the highest levels of the NMB. Through this style of “end game” negotiations, we can work quickly to pare down the number of open items. We can begin to paint a picture where release could be used viably as a tool to get the contract done. This also provides the NMB an opportunity to evaluate the commitment by management to negotiate to a conclusion instead of dragging their feet.
The CAL MEC remains committed to working in partnership with the UAL MEC. We expect that same commitment from the UAL MEC. In last Friday’s meeting, the MEC directed me to work with Capt. Heppner to develop a protocol that will spell out the conditions necessary for us to seek a release to self-help. This protocol can also serve as an understanding that major negotiating initiatives must be agreed to by both MECs if they are to be successful. As we said in our statement, “Any strategy for achieving a fair contract on a timely basis must include solidarity and open communication between the pilot groups.” The MEC also directed me to meet with the lobbyist hired by the UAL MEC and report back.
Toward that end, beginning last Friday night, I reached out to Capt. Heppner several times via email and phone to set up a meeting to start on the protocol and meet with their lobbyist. On Tuesday evening of this week, I finally received his rejection to both my meeting request and the CAL MEC’s stipulation that we develop negotiating strategies in partnership. Simply put, his refusal to discuss the protocol the CAL MEC insists upon attempts to deny CAL pilots, through their leadership, a voice in this major negotiating initiative. By default, he is saying that he will continue to set negotiating policy, independent of the CAL MEC or the JNC, neither of whom approved of or were included in the development or implementation of the Heppner Plan.
This single-handed approach will not work. In contract negotiations, unity is our leverage and we must work together. With that in mind, this past weekend I also sent Capt. Heppner suggested dates in May for a joint meeting of the MECs. To address our legal concerns with the UAL MEC’s TPA grievance over our participation in 2011 profit sharing, I additionally included some minor stipulations for the meeting. Regrettably, Capt. Heppner refused to address our concerns or agree to any of the dates I suggested. However, because a partnered approach is vital to the success of this effort, I will continue to try and get a joint meeting scheduled and to work with the UAL leadership. Our pilots, all 12,000 of them, deserve nothing less.
In closing, my preference would have been to report to you that following our MEC meeting last Friday, I contacted the UAL MEC leadership and we agreed to meet to discuss the CAL MEC’s concerns and perspective. I wish I could say that I met with their lobbyist and that those concerns were addressed to our satisfaction. I wish I could say that the two Master Chairmen sat down and hammered out the criteria for a request for release by the NMB that included the concept of partnership between the MECs going forward. I would prefer to report that we had been able to put in place some basic rules for a joint meeting, and that the meeting is scheduled for May. I wish I could say that the voice of the CAL pilots is well represented in the Heppner Plan and we are moving forward together as 12,000 pilots.
It saddens me to no end that I am unable to report any of this. I can only say that the CAL MEC remains committed to a true partnership based on respect and inclusion, and that I will continue to work towards achieving that partnership. We will not, however, give the UAL MEC or anyone else a blank check to be written against the CAL pilots’ future. We will continue to honor our commitment to the process agreed to by the MECs, the NMB and management that was designed to reach terms of a deal by mid-June. We will continue our attempts to advance the plan already contemplated for two weeks of expedited negotiations beginning in May.
The decisions of the UAL MEC leadership this week do not mean that we stop work or that we will not consider future plans, so long as they have merit. Our goal is to reach a JCBA that meets the needs of our pilots, as quickly as possible. We do not care who comes up with a good idea, only that it is vetted properly to ensure it is a good idea. There will be many more plans and many more strategies suggested. I hope that they are allowed to mature and ripen to usefulness through joint action; because, I repeat, any strategy for achieving a fair contract on a timely basis must include solidarity and open communication between the pilot groups.
Sorry, been on mid-career retirement for about 3 1/2 years... This is ridiculous... At least ask for release... it is clear UCH has not negotiated in "good faith", enough of the BS.
04-29-2012, 04:40 AM
#69
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Warwagon
Have you read the TPA and the Provisions for aircraft replacement? Have you read the UAL CBA and what operations it covers? Have you asked your rep who flies the airplanes according to either?
Have you read the private blog?
Have you asked your rep anything at all?
Dude the UCH boys want RJs they will either self help them or drag the contract out as long as they can to keep them.
So where am I pulling any ones chain? Ask your rep, UAL I assume or are you just a wild outsider posting like you are an authority????
Have you read the TPA and the Provisions for aircraft replacement? Have you read the UAL CBA and what operations it covers? Have you asked your rep who flies the airplanes according to either?
Have you read the private blog?
Have you asked your rep anything at all?
Dude the UCH boys want RJs they will either self help them or drag the contract out as long as they can to keep them.
So where am I pulling any ones chain? Ask your rep, UAL I assume or are you just a wild outsider posting like you are an authority????
04-29-2012, 08:01 AM
#70
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Posts: 274
When did we start believing in plans/timelines put forth by UCH management...? I recall a promise to get a October 2010 JCBA... Oh wait, they have gained sooo much credibility and "good faith" over the 2010, 2011 and now a good part of 2012... Not to mention, UCH did not show up to several Negotiating session in "Chicago"...!
Sorry, been on mid-career retirement for about 3 1/2 years... This is ridiculous... At least ask for release... it is clear UCH has not negotiated in "good faith", enough of the BS.
Sorry, been on mid-career retirement for about 3 1/2 years... This is ridiculous... At least ask for release... it is clear UCH has not negotiated in "good faith", enough of the BS.
And he refuses to go along with a legitimate deadline and consequences against management if they continue to avoid the pilot's new contract.
Long verbose explanations with finger pointing and excuses, as someone pointed out before, aren't helping.
All this LCAL v. LUAL v. Heppner v. Pierce v. whatever are just diversions and distractions.
It's pretty simple. Expect an industry leading contract with a meaningful deadline (June so the summer matters),
not the current open-ended yearly excuse pattern, and hold management accountable for it or there will be severe consequences.
That's LCAL/LUAL pilots together against management's constant mistreatment of us.
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