WarWagon

I've talked to my LEC reps and it boils down to trust - JP does not want a joint meeting - he doesn't trust his MEC to hold his line. If we do see a joint meeting then it would go a long way to re-instill trust amongst the rank and file.

If he makes the mistake of leaving town it would be a good time to "LET HIM GO".

cadetdrivr

You broke the code.

The UAL MC and MEC wants a joint meeting with the entire CAL MEC, not just the MC.

Why this would be an issue seems pretty obvious......

APC225

Actually, they were making the captain sign for a bottle of water, but it had the same effect. Water consumption dropped and the company saved money. What a great opportunity that was. Union could have put out a blastmail saying the company was making us sign for water because,

"The company's first concern is safety and they've (apparently) decided pilots being completely hydrated is a safety issue and want to keep track of this safety issue. We agree! It couldn't possibly be about money. For water? That's ridiculous. Therefore, every captain should ask for and sign for a separate bottle of water for every crewmember on every leg. Don't push without it. It's the company's own safety policy and we're in agreement when it comes to safety, their number one priority. It's right there in the FOM. However, the FOM also prohibits taking catered items from the aircraft--including water [yes, that's true at CAL]--therefore aircraft swaps require you trash your partially used water bottle and sign for another one on the next aircraft? The company is spares no expense for safety, in this case thousands of one-liter water bottles a day. I know I can count on you to not disappoint them."

I wonder how long it woud have taken them to rescind the policy without all the high level comm that had to take place. It was seemingly a very minor issue but it could have been a nice unifying event. Instead it ended in a whimper.

APC225

Sorry, I have parasomnia and was posting while asleep and dreaming about posting. Moderators please delete my post as it obviously makes no sense.

Slammer

You keep forgetting that JP doesn't work for YOU. He works for the CAL pilots so stop your Fox News flashes. We get it...you want him out, but the truth is WE don't care what you think in this area and you are meddling. You do know that when you attack our elected leadership, you are attacking our pilots decisions. I didnt hear any CAL pilots stating Wendys got to go...Your stirring the pot will not achieve a JCBA, because before you know it, both pilot groups will be in their corners ( like our respective MECs) and its over because WE ( collectively) allowed the Jointness to dissolve. JP report was because we encouraged our LEC reps to the MEC to get our side of the story out as the first letter was non- committal and cautious. That was appropriate and directed by the MEC BUT given the stiff arm by the UA MEC and JH I'm more supportive of the CAL MEC for taking a stand on how negotiations and relationships will be forged going forward. If they will be. As I stated before, we need to put pressure on our respective MECs to get back to the table, if at all possible and get past this impasse.

uaav8r

Just curious. What ever became of the missing IAH F/O Rep. Ben Salley's signature/endorsement of JP's initial response? Was it JP's "Limp Richard" support or JH's "Unillateral" tough stance? Or something else. Never heard the final verdict. Inquiring minds want to know.

horrido27

^+1 (Slammer)
Great Post.

As I stated earlier (my opinion), that if we go down the road to separate contracts, this will be the defining moment.

Side note, wrote an Email to Lee Moak/ALPA National last night. Got a reply and hopefully will be able to see him face to face at the next Union meeting in EWR.

Motch

WarWagon

I don't care about your MC Pierce. My only concern is he hasn't come up with an original idea to fix current problems and does nothing more than try to undermine the work of JH and that's keeping money out of our pockets. You want to pull away from the UAL guys - have at it. You'll suffer as much as we will. Rumor has it that Pierce is going to work a deal with Jeff to extend your current CAL contract and force the UAL MEC to go along with it. I don't think that'll be good for you or the company - it'll cost a whole lot of money and the UAL guys are ready.

WarWagon

I invited Lee over for dinner yesterday and Lee said you guy were way out of line with the latest Pierce blast. I don't think he's in you pocket, but he's going to try to go to some of your LEC meeting to see if Pierce is wrongly using his position to promote himself.

gettinbumped

Your MC stated, again, that we were having good progress and success with our small group meetings. You know, the meetings that occur once a week, continue to advance and then retreat back to 2010 positions, and include NOBODY in management authorized to make a decision. This is good progress and success?? Managment can go on like this indefinitely. Your MC is failing you, which is sad. But since we are a team now, he's also failing me, which I am unwilling to accept.

Your MC has done MORE than his fair share to ensure that relationships between the two MEC's is tenuous at best. Read very carefully what he wrote about wanting joint meetings. He called those to discuss the UAL MEC grievance and lawsuits regarding the profit sharing and CAL Grievance settlements. Then he included "minor stipulations". What would those be?? That we only talk about what he wants to talk about? Why didn't he call those meetings to GET A JCBA?!

I'm truly sorry that it has come to this, for we, the pilots, all lose. There are two positions that each of us can decide to support. One MC is saying that things are going GREAT, and we are making REAL PROGRESS! The other is saying that the company is toying with us, and enough is enough. In evaluating which is correct, I ask: How many critical sections of our agreement are competed? Answer. 0. How many meetings in 2012 have decision making level management attended? Answer. 0. How many months have we been working on work rules? Answer. I lost count. How close are we to reaching an agreement on this section of the contract? Answer. Managment just retreated to 2010 positions on R and I issues.

I don't care which MC calls for ACTION.... That's the guy I'm following.