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Old 04-28-2012, 08:31 AM
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"Double pumped"?...Been on RSV in ORD 4+yrs and I don't believe I've ever had one of those. Not sure what that even means. Sounds painful though.
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I just came back from Quito and was told they rolled me into a day off. I wake up the next morning and check my schedule and they rolled me into another day off, bringing me down to 11 days off for the month. It is really hard to believe this stuff is all legal.
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No offense Coto, but what's legal changed to where the $$$$$ are and what we allow through our actions.

All of this will only change when it becomes more expensive to operate this way than the alternative.

What's the alternative?

An industry leading contract including industry leading work rules.

Period.

Who forces that expense equation to change to favoring our industry leading contract?

We do. Each and every one of us, individually. We absolutely, to a man, have to stop accepting this treatment.
(which we're guilty of allowing up to this point)
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Old 04-28-2012, 04:01 PM
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Im showing they had unused reserves in the pool today and yesterday. Can any LCAL guys shed some light on their reasoning for doing this?
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Old 04-28-2012, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Coto Pilot
I just came back from Quito and was told they rolled me into a day off. I wake up the next morning and check my schedule and they rolled me into another day off, bringing me down to 11 days off for the month. It is really hard to believe this stuff is all legal.
Im showing they had unused reserves in the pool today and yesterday. Can any LCAL guys shed some light on their reasoning for doing this?
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Old 04-28-2012, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilotbiffster
All of this doesn't matter .. we're gonna burn this place down before the end of the summer. You can't abuse your labor for 10 years without expecting retribution. I'm sooo tired of bankruptcy wages. Let's get released and shut this place down.
The process to get released is nowhere near the end play...and a unilateral demand from Heppner has the potential for the NMB to send us all in a holding pattern....
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Old 04-28-2012, 04:47 PM
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The process to get released is nowhere near the end play...and a unilateral demand from Heppner has the potential for the NMB to send us all in a holding pattern....

At least JH is doing something for the pilots and that includes the CAL pilots - JP has done nothing for anybody except himself - SAD.
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Old 04-28-2012, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by gofastmopar
The process to get released is nowhere near the end play...and a unilateral demand from Heppner has the potential for the NMB to send us all in a holding pattern....

I will give kudos to heppner for one thing....made me register to be able to participate on this forum.

As a L-CAL since '97 I have to admit that as entertaining it can be to read the JP bashing by various frustrated gentlemen...I can only wonder how much might be achieved if the same energy was put into controlling your own MEC. His solo statement put his own JNC members totally out of play and made the idea of JOINT negatiations one of the past. It is naive to expect the CAL MEC to blindly follow after being railroaded in public.

I would hope that we all can hold the JNC, Mgmt and the NMB to the schedule they put out as possible....if not then the time will be appropriate to seek self help.

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Originally Posted by gofastmopar
I will give kudos to heppner for one thing....made me register to be able to participate on this forum.

As a L-CAL since '97 I have to admit that as entertaining it can be to read the JP bashing by various frustrated gentlemen...I can only wonder how much might be achieved if the same energy was put into controlling your own MEC. His solo statement put his own JNC members totally out of play and made the idea of JOINT negatiations one of the past. It is naive to expect the CAL MEC to blindly follow after being railroaded in public.

I would hope that we all can hold the JNC, Mgmt and the NMB to the schedule they put out as possible....if not then the time will be appropriate to seek self help.

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I'm with you. I don't know what JP is afraid of happening. Do you know if he has a complex from some past experience? It could just be his ego - not wanting to be upstaged by JH. Sad, we'll all lose money over his actions.
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I will give kudos to heppner for one thing....made me register to be able to participate on this forum.
Great! Welcome.

As a L-CAL since '97 I have to admit that as entertaining it can be to read the JP bashing by various frustrated gentlemen...I can only wonder how much might be achieved if the same energy was put into controlling your own MEC. His solo statement put his own JNC members totally out of play and made the idea of JOINT negatiations one of the past. It is naive to expect the CAL MEC to blindly follow after being railroaded in public.
I agree that is is naive to expect them to follow without knowing where they are going, BUT I DO expect them to get briefed on the plan make an objective decision based on the merits of the plan...notwithstanding bruised egos from being omitted from the planning. You should encourage your LEC members to make the necessary arrangements to get the briefing (with no preconditions set by JP)! Sometimes a shake up is necessary to stimulate a process...think of it that way. Both sides have done things that temporarily erode unity, but they also have complete control of our future unity! We must keep their feet to the fire!

I would hope that we all can hold the JNC, Mgmt and the NMB to the schedule they put out as possible....if not then the time will be appropriate to seek self help.
I'm a bit dense sometimes, but I think that is the entire goal of this new strategy! As it stands, there is no mechanism to hold them accountable for the continually missed deadlines they agree to. The shame non sociopaths feel for blatantly lying doesn't exist in UCH executives... There needs to be some significant external pressure.

Keep an open mind and encourage your LEC to get briefed.

cheers,
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