Former calex are doomed
03-22-2012, 12:12 PM
#51
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It appears the "twins" are here: TruthHurts and Once United
Slickties at their best!
Slickties at their best!
03-22-2012, 02:26 PM
#52
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Two "questions":
1.Why fences on the 787 on CAL? UAL had orders in also before the "merger"...
2.I thought the UAL pilots HAD to resign from UAL if they didn't come back on the last RECALL?
There was a UAL furloughee when I was at NKS, and he HAD to resign if he didn't go back. He did, and when he got "screwed" at NKS, he asked if he could come back, and UAL said SURE, come in for an interview (and start at the bottom). He is now at Northwe... I mean Delta.
1.Why fences on the 787 on CAL? UAL had orders in also before the "merger"...
2.I thought the UAL pilots HAD to resign from UAL if they didn't come back on the last RECALL?
There was a UAL furloughee when I was at NKS, and he HAD to resign if he didn't go back. He did, and when he got "screwed" at NKS, he asked if he could come back, and UAL said SURE, come in for an interview (and start at the bottom). He is now at Northwe... I mean Delta.
03-22-2012, 02:54 PM
#53
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Two "questions":
1.Why fences on the 787 on CAL? UAL had orders in also before the "merger"...
2.I thought the UAL pilots HAD to resign from UAL if they didn't come back on the last RECALL?
There was a UAL furloughee when I was at NKS, and he HAD to resign if he didn't go back. He did, and when he got "screwed" at NKS, he asked if he could come back, and UAL said SURE, come in for an interview (and start at the bottom). He is now at Northwe... I mean Delta.
1.Why fences on the 787 on CAL? UAL had orders in also before the "merger"...
2.I thought the UAL pilots HAD to resign from UAL if they didn't come back on the last RECALL?
There was a UAL furloughee when I was at NKS, and he HAD to resign if he didn't go back. He did, and when he got "screwed" at NKS, he asked if he could come back, and UAL said SURE, come in for an interview (and start at the bottom). He is now at Northwe... I mean Delta.
#2 really isn't a "question". Its just a statement that you stuck a question mark on the end of.
I think there were many people on the last recall that were given LOAs for various reasons. If you could show some sort of employment agreement that you had entered into...then UAL just granted a leave. I know several people that did that. Or people would take the recall, not go through training, then go on Military Orders.
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03-22-2012, 07:16 PM
#54
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Former CALEX pilots now working at CAL, are terrified. They know the huge UAL Seniority Integration Steamroller is right around the corner. Because of this, they will support the rat Jay Pierce no matter what. He gives them a sense of security.
This member fully supports ALPA and our seniority system. UAL pilots support ALPA and the seniority system. Where as, many former CALEX pilots do not support ALPA but support the small clique of their junior pilots who have seized our union. Many former CALEX pilots do not respect our seniority system and in fact attempt to undermine the rest of us at every opportunity.
Those who now control our union are supporting policies that undermine our seniority system. PBS is the principle violator. Our work rules do not respect seniority. Management is now cross training pilots to work either cockpit seat. This is probably the most aggregious threat to seniority and is a direct threat to junior pilots. Our union says and does nothing. In fact, J.P. and Dave Owens have helped do these things to us. Their punishment is being promoted to higher and higher union positions.
Former CALEX pilots have been causing trouble since coming to work here. Several were so arrogant and belligerent they were terminated during initial training. Today, they are causing incredible conflict problems within our cockpit. Since hiring CALEX pilots there have been more cockpit conflict since the infamous CAL Strike. Professional Standards has been forced to hire more case workers. They are so innundated with investigations that it takes them weeks sometimes months to finalize.
CAL union leaders are angering the UAL MEC by undermining the negotiation process.
The point being is that former CALEX pilots and those who have seized our union, are antagonistic and causing much trouble. This arrogance stems from ignorance and a sense of entitlement. They respect no one and prioritize their needs over the rest of us.
There is no hope for this group of pilots. They are immature, arrogant and extremely nasty bunch. Just read most of their posts. They have an innate hatred of anyone who dare oppose them. It's their way or no way.
Their immature rants will be short lived. As I said, the UAL Seniority Juggernaut is bearing down on them and it is only a matter of time former CALEX pilots will come to grips with reality.
This senior pilot has long tried to talk common sense with many of our junior pilots. When one on one, they can be reasoned with. It is only when they bunch together (I.E., chat rooms, etc) do they raise their ugly head.
In conclusion, the former CALEX pilot has no ally's. They have managed to anger all around them and in the process have isolated themselves into a relatively small group who refuse any outside thought. Most of our senior pilots cannot stand working with them. They have also managed to anger UAL MEC and their pilots. In real terms it's about 1,000 former CALEX pilots v about 11,000 ALPA strong. The most junior pilots of the bunch are CALEX and they actually think they are going to some how wrestle super seniorty. Merger Committee Chairman CA Jim Bruscia is a senior pilot with a chip on his shoulder. He thinks that his PEX pilots got screwed 20+ years ago. His job is to negotiate seniority integration for all pilots and not just a select few. He is not about to give away seniority rights for senior pilots or create conflict with UAL pilots unecessarily by demanding super seniority for a bunch of prima donna former CALEX types. It aint gonna happen.
That is why former CALEX pilots are propping up J.P. and his union thugs. They are purposlely dragging out the contract negotiation process to stall SSL talks. In the meantime, J.P. and his junior varsity players are enjoying pay, perks and time off most senior pilots do not get. This is another way they are insidiously undermining seniority.
Make no mistake about it, J.P. will scurry away with some management job or promoted within ALPA. In the meantime, those who have been propping him up will be stapled to the bottom of a 12,000 pilot seniority list. Somebody has to be there. Who in the hell do you think it will be -- A 15 year UAL pilot? Dream On.
This senior pilot respects seniority and not demands of entitlement. UAL pilots respect seniority and not demands of entitlement. ALPA supports seniority. The AFL-CIO respects seniority. An abritrator respects seniority. The only player here not respecting seniority are a select few former CALEX types.
You know the old saying "You cut your nose off to spite your face?"
As a senior pilot opinion, Jay Pierce is doing a good job. He is creating anger and distrust among ALL pilots. This will ensure that he and his thugs will be booted out and UAL will eventually run our union. Mature, seasoned, hard line ALPA union representatives who honor seniority will soon be running our union. CALEX will be where they belong. At the bottom of the pile.
You did these things to yourself. We tried to warn you but you think that you know everything. You just don't know what you don't know.
LOL.
This member fully supports ALPA and our seniority system. UAL pilots support ALPA and the seniority system. Where as, many former CALEX pilots do not support ALPA but support the small clique of their junior pilots who have seized our union. Many former CALEX pilots do not respect our seniority system and in fact attempt to undermine the rest of us at every opportunity.
Those who now control our union are supporting policies that undermine our seniority system. PBS is the principle violator. Our work rules do not respect seniority. Management is now cross training pilots to work either cockpit seat. This is probably the most aggregious threat to seniority and is a direct threat to junior pilots. Our union says and does nothing. In fact, J.P. and Dave Owens have helped do these things to us. Their punishment is being promoted to higher and higher union positions.
Former CALEX pilots have been causing trouble since coming to work here. Several were so arrogant and belligerent they were terminated during initial training. Today, they are causing incredible conflict problems within our cockpit. Since hiring CALEX pilots there have been more cockpit conflict since the infamous CAL Strike. Professional Standards has been forced to hire more case workers. They are so innundated with investigations that it takes them weeks sometimes months to finalize.
CAL union leaders are angering the UAL MEC by undermining the negotiation process.
The point being is that former CALEX pilots and those who have seized our union, are antagonistic and causing much trouble. This arrogance stems from ignorance and a sense of entitlement. They respect no one and prioritize their needs over the rest of us.
There is no hope for this group of pilots. They are immature, arrogant and extremely nasty bunch. Just read most of their posts. They have an innate hatred of anyone who dare oppose them. It's their way or no way.
Their immature rants will be short lived. As I said, the UAL Seniority Juggernaut is bearing down on them and it is only a matter of time former CALEX pilots will come to grips with reality.
This senior pilot has long tried to talk common sense with many of our junior pilots. When one on one, they can be reasoned with. It is only when they bunch together (I.E., chat rooms, etc) do they raise their ugly head.
In conclusion, the former CALEX pilot has no ally's. They have managed to anger all around them and in the process have isolated themselves into a relatively small group who refuse any outside thought. Most of our senior pilots cannot stand working with them. They have also managed to anger UAL MEC and their pilots. In real terms it's about 1,000 former CALEX pilots v about 11,000 ALPA strong. The most junior pilots of the bunch are CALEX and they actually think they are going to some how wrestle super seniorty. Merger Committee Chairman CA Jim Bruscia is a senior pilot with a chip on his shoulder. He thinks that his PEX pilots got screwed 20+ years ago. His job is to negotiate seniority integration for all pilots and not just a select few. He is not about to give away seniority rights for senior pilots or create conflict with UAL pilots unecessarily by demanding super seniority for a bunch of prima donna former CALEX types. It aint gonna happen.
That is why former CALEX pilots are propping up J.P. and his union thugs. They are purposlely dragging out the contract negotiation process to stall SSL talks. In the meantime, J.P. and his junior varsity players are enjoying pay, perks and time off most senior pilots do not get. This is another way they are insidiously undermining seniority.
Make no mistake about it, J.P. will scurry away with some management job or promoted within ALPA. In the meantime, those who have been propping him up will be stapled to the bottom of a 12,000 pilot seniority list. Somebody has to be there. Who in the hell do you think it will be -- A 15 year UAL pilot? Dream On.
This senior pilot respects seniority and not demands of entitlement. UAL pilots respect seniority and not demands of entitlement. ALPA supports seniority. The AFL-CIO respects seniority. An abritrator respects seniority. The only player here not respecting seniority are a select few former CALEX types.
You know the old saying "You cut your nose off to spite your face?"
As a senior pilot opinion, Jay Pierce is doing a good job. He is creating anger and distrust among ALL pilots. This will ensure that he and his thugs will be booted out and UAL will eventually run our union. Mature, seasoned, hard line ALPA union representatives who honor seniority will soon be running our union. CALEX will be where they belong. At the bottom of the pile.
You did these things to yourself. We tried to warn you but you think that you know everything. You just don't know what you don't know.
LOL.
03-22-2012, 07:26 PM
#55
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yep. go Jimmy
03-22-2012, 07:49 PM
#56
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I won't worry. DL/NW is NOT "relative".
"Relative" to what? "Relative" is only mentioned in the merger policy as such: your relative seniority will not change on your own airlines' list. (You cannot be senior to someone on your list that is senior to you after the SLI)
DL/NW is based on number of narrow/widebody pilots fit into 4 categories(#WB Caps, #WB F/Os, #NB Caps, #NB F/Os) with some pull/plug. Yes there are fences.
DL/NW did not fall under the new merger policy either. There are 3 cornerstones that must be factored in. (No particular order, weighting, and those are not the only 3) But, they must be factored in.
I think this horse is dead. 3 arbitrators will decide. But, you already knew that.
"Relative" to what? "Relative" is only mentioned in the merger policy as such: your relative seniority will not change on your own airlines' list. (You cannot be senior to someone on your list that is senior to you after the SLI)
DL/NW is based on number of narrow/widebody pilots fit into 4 categories(#WB Caps, #WB F/Os, #NB Caps, #NB F/Os) with some pull/plug. Yes there are fences.
DL/NW did not fall under the new merger policy either. There are 3 cornerstones that must be factored in. (No particular order, weighting, and those are not the only 3) But, they must be factored in.
I think this horse is dead. 3 arbitrators will decide. But, you already knew that.
03-23-2012, 04:36 PM
#59
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Of course it's correct if by "established CAL pilots" he means the Saving Continental Airline Brotherhood...doesn't take much to have more skill or qualifications than most of them.
03-23-2012, 05:53 PM
#60
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Posts: 88
Jimmy is alive and well from the grave
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