Former calex are doomed
03-21-2012, 01:03 PM
#11
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I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for being open minded. I am not thanking you for agreeing with me because you have not done such thing. You have only asked others to engage with the subject matter rather than make stupid snide remarks. The funny thing is that the Administrator thinks those nasty snide remarks are "Insightful" and "Encouraging" and spends much time telling me that I am too controversial. I did not come here to make friends. I came here to share severe problems that we are having with our union leadership. This is a crucial time for my pilot group (CAL) and what these goons do will affect our career and life. This is extremely serious business. We are integrating a 12,000 pilot work force and the stakes are incredibly high. Mr. Pierce and his gang are out smarted, out qualified and out numbered. Their fooling around is making a mockery of our pilots and posing a great threat to our career.
These stupid one line remarks about me are mostly ignored. Their remarks clearly indicate they are intellectually vacant. I have no mercy for stupidity. Apparently the Administrator does. I expect reaction to this thread will have me booted from this site by day's end.
Again, thanks for your support.
These stupid one line remarks about me are mostly ignored. Their remarks clearly indicate they are intellectually vacant. I have no mercy for stupidity. Apparently the Administrator does. I expect reaction to this thread will have me booted from this site by day's end.
Again, thanks for your support.
Are you two still slickties, lol?
03-21-2012, 01:09 PM
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This is a superb question.
Some CALEX Flow Thru pilots are given two seniority dates. One for date of hire at CAL and the other original hire date for pass privileges, etc. Their date of hire at CAL (Not CALEX) is all that matters for seniority integration.
This brings up other issues. There are many former CALEX pilots who think they are entitled to their CALEX hire date for pilot seniority issues. Some think that if it wasn't for CALEX, CAL would have gone out of business. In fact, F/O Corey Franke submitted a report / demand to CAL management stating that his group of pilots (CALEX) are better qualified, better educated and have better flying skills than established CAL pilots. Because of this, he made demands their pilots are placed into immediate positions of authority (I.E., CPO, Training Dept. etc.). He also advocated policy to get rid of many senior pilots as possible. It is not clear if management has officially gone along with the "Franke Report" but almost all of his demands have been met.
I will refrain from giving my opinion about these things. You make up your own mind.
Some CALEX Flow Thru pilots are given two seniority dates. One for date of hire at CAL and the other original hire date for pass privileges, etc. Their date of hire at CAL (Not CALEX) is all that matters for seniority integration.
This brings up other issues. There are many former CALEX pilots who think they are entitled to their CALEX hire date for pilot seniority issues. Some think that if it wasn't for CALEX, CAL would have gone out of business. In fact, F/O Corey Franke submitted a report / demand to CAL management stating that his group of pilots (CALEX) are better qualified, better educated and have better flying skills than established CAL pilots. Because of this, he made demands their pilots are placed into immediate positions of authority (I.E., CPO, Training Dept. etc.). He also advocated policy to get rid of many senior pilots as possible. It is not clear if management has officially gone along with the "Franke Report" but almost all of his demands have been met.
I will refrain from giving my opinion about these things. You make up your own mind.
03-21-2012, 01:25 PM
#14
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That's not quite right. Some CALEX Flow Thru pilots received l-o-n-g-e-v-i-t-y dates for the purposes of benefits depending upon their particular deal. There is only one date for seniority purposes at the mainline carrier.
Now we're getting somewhere. Anonymous bulletin boards have a tendency to be "slum-dwelling" to begin with. This can't hurt.
I will. Thanks.
You just do what you said you were going to do in the second quote.
Now we're getting somewhere. Anonymous bulletin boards have a tendency to be "slum-dwelling" to begin with. This can't hurt.
I will. Thanks.
You just do what you said you were going to do in the second quote.
03-21-2012, 01:29 PM
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No doubt as a savant you find this merger process to be a very frustrating experience. If only everyone else could see what you and your sidekick see, then everyone would rally behind you in Pied Piper fashion. Unfortunately for you two your attempts at connecting the dots fall short of any logical conclusion. And the more you rant the less supporters you find.
Are you two still slickties, lol?
Are you two still slickties, lol?
03-21-2012, 01:34 PM
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That's not quite right. Some CALEX Flow Thru pilots received l-o-n-g-e-v-i-t-y dates for the purposes of benefits depending upon their particular deal. There is only one date for seniority purposes at the mainline carrier.
Now we're getting somewhere. Anonymous bulletin boards have a tendency to be "slum-dwelling" to begin with. This can't hurt.
I will. Thanks.
You just do what you said you were going to do in the second quote.
Now we're getting somewhere. Anonymous bulletin boards have a tendency to be "slum-dwelling" to begin with. This can't hurt.
I will. Thanks.
You just do what you said you were going to do in the second quote.
03-21-2012, 01:48 PM
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Not true. At best maybe, MAYBE 30%. The flow through ending in early 2006. The bottom 1,000 of the list (even without the UA pilots) was hired after the flow through ended. And if you want to talk about flow through, certainly you must be aware that the ratio was 1 for 3. You are aware of that, aren't you?
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