Tony Nelson

It must be the format. If you look at the numbers below each category they are the same as your post.

Andy

In the FAM class I went to (15 Mar), Charlie stated something like, 'as of now, there are no plans for summer classes'.
So far, LCAL's last class was supposed to be early March. Then they added a late March class. And two April classes. And now a May class.
One thing's for sure about LCAL's training plan - it's written in sand and wiped out by the tide daily. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there are several more classes this summer, although likely smaller and more sporadic.

Based on the number of open slots that will be remaining on the 1 May class, I would expect LCAL to send out a few more job offer letters around 22 Mar. I estimate that they'll need to send ~30 more letters in order to fill the 1 May class. If the letters go much beyond the 12 Mar 01 UAL hires, I'd take that as a sign that LCAL plans on having an additional class.
There are only ~80 more 2001 hires that haven't been offered a job. And once the offers go to 2007/8 hires, I would expect acceptance rates to drop due to most of them having to come to LCAL at year 1 pay. On the bright side, every UAL pilot coming to LCAL will be eligible to vote for/against any ALPA issue (aka JCBA TA) from day 1 on LCAL property. And being on property would guarantee eligibility for any signing bonus money.

APC225

That's one well put together set of words. Pretty much describes the whole operation, all tactics and no strategy. It's a game of Tetris. Each day that the schedulers and VJM pilots work together to put all the blocks in the right place by the end of the day the game just goes faster.

APC225

+1
(And how about just "against.")

flyboyblueeyes

Is this buisiness as usual when it comes to awarding GUM as a domicile, or is the "volunteer only" an olive branch offered only to recalls and not new hires?

Andy

If the TA includes full longevity credit (pay and benefits) for time on furlough, a solid Scope (everything >50 seats grandfathered by tail number), and a hard cap that decreases when pilots are on furlough, I would probably vote for it.

Pay rates aren't my primary concern; we all saw how those get vaporized whenever the company wants concessions - benefits are harder to cut in concessionary talks. But once benefits are lost, they are VERY hard to regain.

Andy

Does it matter what you're told about GUM today? The following still applies:



Even if GUM were put in a newhire drop, it would probably go fairly senior. Why? From CAL C2002, LOA 18, Guam Flying:

"Pilots staffed to flying Positions in the Guam Base will receive, in addition to

all other compensation, a Foreign Base Allowance in the amount of one
thousand, one hundred dollars ($1,100.00) per month for each month of Active

Service."

"At his option, a pilot assigned to Guam who is in his first year of employment

will receive an eighteen (18) month Base freeze and be paid using the secondyear
pay rate (in Status), or no Base freeze and be paid using the first-year pay
rate. The monthly advance for a first-year pilot electing to receive the freeze

and the second-year pay rate will be fifteen hundred dollars ($1,500.00)."

"Pilots transferring or assigned to the Guam Base will be entitled to a paid move
to Guam, provided they remain in Guam for a minimum of eighteen (18)
months of Active Service. Should a pilot leave the Guam Base for any reason
other than being displaced or initial Status upgrade prior to providing eighteen
(18) months of Active Service, he will be responsible to reimburse the
Company for the paid move to Guam."

"A pilot who has provided thirty-six (36) months of Active Service on Guam
will be entitled to a paid move from Guam. If the pilot leaves Guam after
providing eighteen (18) months of service, but prior to completing thirty-six
(36) months of Active Service, he will be responsible for a pro rata share of the
paid move from Guam. In addition, a move from Guam will be company paid
if the pilot is furloughed and elects to return to the U.S., is displaced out of his
GUM Equipment and Status, is awarded an initial Status upgrade, retires, or is
terminated due to loss of medical or failure to meet standards. The thirty-six

(36) month clock will also begin on the date of staffing in Guam."
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There are a decent number of financial incentives for a newhire to take a GUM assignment.

Ottopilot

The financial incentives are wiped out by the GUM financial liabilities. It's a wash; that's why it exists. Plus you get to do redeye turns for a living. No thanks.

SpecialTracking

Well, you are fairly easy to please.

Airhoss

Otto,

Could you please take a moment and talk about what those liabilities are?

Thanks in advance.