Originally Posted by Flytolive

I've noticed that those who are warning pilots about Jay Pierce are exponentially more eloquent, comprehensive and detailed in their posts than those supporting him.

Originally Posted by 13n144e

"Eloquent". That's funny. I've never read anything on this forum recently that even remotely approaches "eloquent". Particularly the interrminable whining about profit sharing and Pierce. You must be a huge admirer of the rhetorical stylings of Dumbfounded/Dexim/Once United.Thanks for your scientific survey and all the "warnings". We all appreciate your deep concern, but unless your a CAL pilot you have absolutely no say in the matter. Get over it.

Originally Posted by TruthHurts

Anyone who supports CAL ALPA MEC PRES CA Jay Pierce does not support organized labor. He is a shill for management.

Mr. Pierce is former CALEX management having worked directly for CEO Mr. Jonathan Ornstein. Mr. Ornstein is a protege of Mr. David Bonderman and his cohort Mr. Frank Lorenzo. Mr. Pierce has a long anti-labor / anti-pilot history. He has never flown a line of flying during his CAL career. He somehow transformed overnight from anti-labor management to an ALPA leader. This can only happen at Continental Airlines.

Mr. Pierce's enemy is not management but the cockpit of a modern day jetliner. He will say and do anything to keep his cushy non-flying job.

Since the infamous Strike, CAL unions have been mostly run by self serving and corrupt individuals. Two of their former union leaders now work for management. Three of their Negotiating Committee Chairman now work for management. They have recalled many union representatives for flight pay loss abuse. In essence, FPL abuse is stealing money from the union. Instead of being made to pay back this money and being kicked out of the union, these pilots are slapped on the hand with no punishment.

On the other hand, no one can dispute that UAL pilots are very militant and epitomize the meaning of ALPA. UAL is ALPA. CA Jay Pierce has been going out of his way to antagonize and to undermine the UAL MEC. As a result, he has created much distrust and anger. In the long run, these things will come back to haunt CAL pilots.

Few if any can question the integrity of UAL MEC and their devotion to ALPA. Where as, Mr. Pierce has a long black history attacking pilots and organized labor. His overnight transformation being pro ALPA appears to be an illusion. Serious union members are inable to trust Pierce and he must be removed from office before he inflicts incredible damage to the majority of CAL pilots. CAL pilots should immediately contact their respective LEC representatives demanding his recall.

Simply ask yourself if Jay Pierce is the best that your airline can produce to represent you at this critical juncture? Why are so many CAL pilots defending Mr. Pierce when he has done absolutely nothing for your pilots? The answer to those questions are simple. They are critical. He rewards those who supports him and demonizes those who do not. These are well worn bully tactics Mussolini used many years ago. There is only one solution. Replace Pierce or your career may be in jeapardy. Are you willing to bet your career in support of an illusionist?

Originally Posted by 13n144e

"Eloquent". That's funny. We all appreciate your deep concern, but unless your (sic) a CAL pilot

Originally Posted by Flytolive

Thanks for making the point. I agree, that is funny.

Originally Posted by EWR73FO

Vince, your a putz too.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

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Good gosh... if you type like an idiot you will be taken for one, regardless of your point.