Originally Posted by gettinbumped

You've just illustrated my complaint. Jay can't sit on his kingdom and condescendingly say that we should let these trivial matters go and focus on the JCBA. When it was the CAL pilots who have an issue that needs resolving, it's apparently ok to 1) openly threaten to grind talks to a halt until the UAL pilots agree with the CAL pilots position on pay banding. 2) break out of TPA required tri-lateral talks to secure profit sharing for the CAL pilots. 3) file a grievance over 70 seaters in EWR and CLE. All of these things were outside the JCBA and Pearce felt needed attending to. I'm not arguing the fact that these things needed to be addressed (though I thought that the method of handling issues 1 and 2 were exceptionally poor). But now that the UAL pilots need to file a REACTIONARY grievance to deal with the fallout, Pearce is concerned about anything that might slow down a JCBA?? Come on. It's hypocritical, selfish, childish, condescending, and obnoxious. I too want nothing more than to get going on the JCBA, but if we need to defend our contract, we have the right to... just like the CAL pilots do. Pearce demands courtesy, and gives none.

I'm done with this conversation. I've had great experiences with the CAL pilots I've met. I really hope and believe we are all pulling on the same end of the rope for the same purpose. But Pearce needs to get some class. He's done more to set back the JCBA than I thought any one pilot could, so his crying about UAL pilots defending their contract due to HIS rogue actions doesn't hold much water with me.

Originally Posted by gettinbumped

We will be. Just as you were more concerned about the JCBA AFTER you got your profit sharing.

Originally Posted by SKLJ

No parting shot and you missed the point. The grievance will be heard soon, on the expedited basis of the TPA. I would always expect that any MEC should grieve anything they have issues with. What I said was that I hope that once the grievance has a ruling, the pilots like you will be more concerned about the JCBA.

Originally Posted by slowplay

From the outside, it looks like the keyboard warriors here are doing plenty enough of that on their own...

Didn't your group(s) get the message? Daytime soap operas are so 1980's....

Originally Posted by Once United

I guess your being on the outside gives you the insight to come to this forum and tell any United Pilot what's going on. You must be a USAir winner. Give us a break!

Originally Posted by Groundhog

No, I didn't miss your point, but you obviously missed mine. You are implying that the UAL pilots are distracted by the grievances while they should be focused on the contract. Nothing could be further from the truth. Although for whatever reason you appear to want to push this version of the situation.
Meanwhile, if the account is true, your MEC has pulled out of a joint MEC meeting scheduled for this week. Let's see if that is the case, and how it plays out. If it is true then on the one hand we have a UAL MEC that did what it had to to fight for the interest of its pilots; and on the other hand we have a CAL MEC that decides to pout and pull out of a joint meeting.
Hopefully your MEC will get past this so we can get to a point where your MEC and pilots like you will be more concerned about the JCBA.

Here's hopin'.

Hog

Originally Posted by SKLJ

Continuing to fight on an Internet forum is doing nothing to help the unity between pilot groups.

Originally Posted by Regularguy

EWR

"Now, if you have concerns about the way it was calculated under a merged profit sharing scenario in the combined company that is a different issue that needs to be taken up with management. If you feel your share of the profits should have been bigger that is a separate issue and is not really related to a particular work group but rather all work groups. "

You have accurately stated what the issue and the grievance is about.

It is sad to me that Pierce (and you possibly) would pull out and withdraw support of a grievance process which will in the end benefit ALL the pilots of United Airlines.

Originally Posted by gettinbumped

You've just illustrated my complaint. Jay can't sit on his kingdom and condescendingly say that we should let these trivial matters go and focus on the JCBA. When it was the CAL pilots who have an issue that needs resolving, it's apparently ok to 1) openly threaten to grind talks to a halt until the UAL pilots agree with the CAL pilots position on pay banding. 2) break out of TPA required tri-lateral talks to secure profit sharing for the CAL pilots. 3) file a grievance over 70 seaters in EWR and CLE. All of these things were outside the JCBA and Pearce felt needed attending to. I'm not arguing the fact that these things needed to be addressed (though I thought that the method of handling issues 1 and 2 were exceptionally poor). But now that the UAL pilots need to file a REACTIONARY grievance to deal with the fallout, Pearce is concerned about anything that might slow down a JCBA?? Come on. It's hypocritical, selfish, childish, condescending, and obnoxious. I too want nothing more than to get going on the JCBA, but if we need to defend our contract, we have the right to... just like the CAL pilots do. Pearce demands courtesy, and gives none.

I'm done with this conversation. I've had great experiences with the CAL pilots I've met. I really hope and believe we are all pulling on the same end of the rope for the same purpose. But Pearce needs to get some class. He's done more to set back the JCBA than I thought any one pilot could, so his crying about UAL pilots defending their contract due to HIS rogue actions doesn't hold much water with me.

Originally Posted by FACSofLife

"But Pearce needs to get some class"

That is not going to happen. The Sugarland Magazine article about J.P. pretty much shows his arrogance.

First, he's pictured flying in the right seat. What kind of M.C. would do this?

Second, in one of the last paragraphs, he tells prospect airline pilots to not pursue the profession until he fixes it. YHGTBSM! This guy is delusional and is a total narcissist.