Blockoutblockin

There are already 2005 hires in the left seat in Guam.

LifeNtheFstLne

So can we borrow the expression from the S-UAL people and say we were 'right-sizing' for the merger by growing?

PBSG

Thanks for the info. I figured I got that messed up somewhere.

Once United

Right sizing - not really just moving the pieces around for the company. All this will do is cause a few new bids for the 737 Capt at DEN and Ord, but most of the bids will be filled by lateral movement. Since no backfiling for the loses at IAH and EWR it is a wash.

Expect to see a 320 base in IAH and increase 320 flying out of EWR at about the same time, Sept 2012. Both of these will be 320 flying out of ORD and maybe some out of the West Coast(SFO/LAX). Again block hour ratio will remain the same no windfall. Could see 320 pilots moving into widebody slots(747/777) they can hold with an open bid.

SKLJ

They are not.

CHAIRMAN

I think the right sizing comment is more in regards to 1437 pilots on the street because UAL said they could not make money with 94 paid off 737's in ORD & DEN.

LeeMat

March 1, 2012



The following document regarding the extension of the Transition & Process Agreement was prepared by the United MEC System Schedule Committee.



The provisions of paragraph 4-D in the Transition and Process Agreement (TPA) that were extended and/or changed are as follows:



A new UAL 320 and/or 767-57 IAH base may be opened. (Absent the extension, all domicile protections would have ended and the company could have opened a new base anywhere as per the current CBA).
· If these new categories are opened, they will be staffed on a voluntary basis only using the normal vacancy bid process. (This is all as per the current CBA).



· If unfilled vacancy bids exist in IAH after the bid is closed, no pilot can be forced to IAH (This provision is new and prevents the company from using the 8-K Displacements and 8-F Insufficient Bidders provisions of the CBA to fill these IAH unfilled slots until a JCBA has been ratified).



· TDY will be used to man any unfilled IAH slots. (This will be done using current contractual provisions with modifications that allow for bidding voluntary TDY in 3, 2 or 1 month blocks in duration until a JCBA has been ratified).



A new UAL 320 and/or 767-57 IAH base may be opened. (Absent the extension 767-57, on a voluntary basis only. (This would all be done under the current CAL CBA except the similar changes to TDY called Special Assignments)


A new UAL 320 and/or 767-57 IAH base may be opened. (Absent the extension, there would be no protections for UAL LAX as result of the existence of the CAL LAX 737 base).


Questions & Answers



The following Q&A provides more information and detail about the application of the provisions of the TPA Extension LOA.



1. Is the company going to open all these bases?



At this time the company is planning to open only 3 new categories: UAL IAH 320 with about 50 crews (50 Captains, 50 First Officers) and CAL ORD and DEN 737 and with about 35 crews each, all in September 2012.



2. What will be the process for opening bases and when will we see vacancy bids

for IAH 320?



Both subsidiaries will follow the provisions of their existing contracts for vacancy bidding. For CAL, this means they will see their new equipment bids since they do a bi-annual system bid which deals with all known manpower needs looking forward for a year.



The UAL contract is very different, starting with the requirement for the company to follow the provisions of LOA 94-07 (Allocation of Flying). This requires a Notice of Proposed Decision Making (NPDM) which is an interactive process between the company’s Manpower Planning Department and the SSC. This process is already underway and is scheduled to be finalized on April 18.



Due to the nature and provisions of the UAL contract, vacancy bids are issued much closer to the time when pilots will be needed on the line and the bids can be issued in smaller numbers that are specifically timed. This will most likely result in at least two bids to fill the planned need for IAH 320 this fall. The first bid should be issued in May for September with another bid coming in June for October/November.



3. What are the provisions for opening new UAL equipment domicile?



Current contractual provisions for new equipment domiciles will apply. Pilots with freezes will be eligible to bid for vacancies with advertised effective dates that are within six months of the advertised base opening date. Also, pilots can bid conditionally based on their position in the new base. Based on past practice, pilots should be able to bid based on their desire to be in the top 1/3rd or the top 2/3rd of the base based on his or her seniority in the new category at the specific time of their bid.



4. What is the same about this TDY that is currently in the CBA language?



All current provisions, including the availability of hotel rooms, per diem and travel passes will apply. Pilots will bid for the TDY assignment prior to PBS bidding. All pilots awarded a TDY assignment will bid in the TDY category using PBS based on their seniority within the category.



The company determines the domiciles the TDYs will come from based on manpower.



5. What is the difference between this TDY and the current CBA language?



There will be no partial month TDY. Voluntary TDY may be bid for in 3,2 or 1month blocks (with the higher number of months bid getting priority over lower).



Involuntary TDY, if it occurs, will only be for a one-month block, and no pilot will be required to sit more than two involuntary TDY blocks in any 12-month period and no involuntary TDY will be assigned until all volunteers have been exhausted (regardless of number of months of availability).



6. Can I be displaced out of my domicile because of the new CAL bases?



No. The only displacements that would be involved would be based on normal causes from within the UAL system due to the need to balance between existing UAL domiciles (not IAH) or large seat imbalances. This is highly unlikely due to the uncertainty of where displaced pilots will bump to and the costs involved. What is likely to happen is that flying (block hours) will be moved to where the pilots actually are based and/or remain. Pilots may see different destinations and types of flying.



7. Why are LAX’s protections different than the protections for other bases?



LAX had specific protections due to the opening of the CAL 737 in LAX in the original TPA and these will continue. Also, they face the only direct threat to a very specific type of flying (the Hawaiian flying) that will be flown by the CAL 737s in LAX. The LAX protections ensure their headcount will not be reduced due to the CAL LAX 737. It can be reduced due to voluntary attrition.



8. How can CAL grow flying with these new domiciles while UAL shrinks? Isn’t

that a violation of the ratio protection?



This flying isn’t new flying; it’s a change in which pilots do the flying for each subsidiary. Flying in any of the new domiciles/bases will come from somewhere else. So, if United were to reduce the type of flying in a domicile in response to new CAL flying, United would increase flying there or elsewhere depending on where the pilots are. The total amount of flying does not shift between airline subsidiaries. The ratio protection will still apply and is being actively tracked.



All of CAL’s previously ordered new aircraft for 2012 and 2013 are planned as replacements for aircraft being removed from subsidiary CAL service on a year over year basis.

guppyflyer

With the increased class sizes and the additional classes inApril, there will be roughly 240 LUAL guys/gals on property (minus those who've left) before classes resume in fall.

A320

Houston and Newark. I can hardly wait. I was really hoping for some of that Cleveland flying.

ewrbasedpilot

You can have all the ORD flying you want.....