CAL System Bid released
03-10-2012, 06:45 PM
#121
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My condolences on your inability to wrap your head around this. Allow me to give you another example of how an operating certificate can force training costs etc. to rise. UAL did not conduct monitored low visibility approaches. As all approaches at both CAL and UAL below CAT I minimums require an autoland, it made sense to adopt the UAL non-monitored approach for low visibility approaches(no need to transfer controls when the airplane was going to autoland anyway). The FAA said "whoa CAL, not that easy, you must train all pilots on the non-monitored low visibility approach procedure to comply and allow this to be conducted on your certificate". The result, all our pilots are either in the process(757/767/777 beginning Jan 1, 2012) or will be commencing training on non monitored low visibility approaches and this training will go well into 2013 before CAL crews can perform low visibility approaches the way UAL crews do.
Non-precision approaches will be trained at UAL as the equipment is brought up to CAL standards so that we can conduct RNAV/RNP approaches down to the minimums already fought hard for by CAL over the last decade(.12 737NG/.15 756/.11? 777). Using the UAL certificate, as mature as it was, would be more difficult to alter thus requiring many years of proving runs etc. for RNAV(RNP) and even certain ETOPS procedures native to CAL.
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Non-precision approaches will be trained at UAL as the equipment is brought up to CAL standards so that we can conduct RNAV/RNP approaches down to the minimums already fought hard for by CAL over the last decade(.12 737NG/.15 756/.11? 777). Using the UAL certificate, as mature as it was, would be more difficult to alter thus requiring many years of proving runs etc. for RNAV(RNP) and even certain ETOPS procedures native to CAL.
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I can't wait to be "Brought up to CAL standards". I can feel like a real pilot.
03-10-2012, 06:50 PM
#122
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Do you understand that person in question is only staffed on the B787 "on paper"??
His actual/present position is 82% on the B777 in EWR. Bidding DEN puts that same person at 5% on the B737. If that move means not having to commute, and sitting #2 in base, to each their own. 'Some' weigh QOL in different aspects, and NOT having to commute while sitting 'senior' in base may be his zin.
In the end, this is JUST a SnapShot, it's far from being set in stone. Don't know how L-UA did biz, but if this is your first rodeo with CAL's SnapShots, things will NO DOUBT be fluid till the Monet is published on the official closing.
Sit tight.
His actual/present position is 82% on the B777 in EWR. Bidding DEN puts that same person at 5% on the B737. If that move means not having to commute, and sitting #2 in base, to each their own. 'Some' weigh QOL in different aspects, and NOT having to commute while sitting 'senior' in base may be his zin.
In the end, this is JUST a SnapShot, it's far from being set in stone. Don't know how L-UA did biz, but if this is your first rodeo with CAL's SnapShots, things will NO DOUBT be fluid till the Monet is published on the official closing.
Sit tight.
I hope he enjoys it while he can because once all DEN vacancies are open to all there are a lot of senior UAL guys looking to dust off their 737 type ratings.
03-10-2012, 07:32 PM
#124
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First '05 hire missed IAH737CA by 34 numbers on the snapsnot.
184 numbers from EWR737CA
About 190 from ORD737CA
Can hold GUM737CA and any FO position (737/756/777/787) in any base.
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03-11-2012, 04:31 AM
#125
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Well that is all fine and dandy, but unless their is a reduction bid, those that will be staffed there cannot be bumped out just because a senior UAL pilot wants it, and only when an opening is posted can they bid for that position. After all, their has to be a "little" bit of protection, otherwise junior pilots would be shuffling around the system every bid as the senior ones grabbed anything and anywhere they wanted.
03-11-2012, 08:15 AM
#126
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03-11-2012, 08:42 AM
#127
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03-11-2012, 09:25 AM
#128
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'05s and '06s are newhires..? Are your '97-'98 hires considered newhires? About the same spot (66-70%) on your list.
First '05 hire missed IAH737CA by 34 numbers on the snapsnot.
184 numbers from EWR737CA
About 190 from ORD737CA
Can hold GUM737CA and any FO position (737/756/777/787) in any base.
First '05 hire missed IAH737CA by 34 numbers on the snapsnot.
184 numbers from EWR737CA
About 190 from ORD737CA
Can hold GUM737CA and any FO position (737/756/777/787) in any base.
UAL had 2year 9 mo captains back in 99-2000. Don't worry the music will stop for those types of upgrades especially when SLI is done regardless of how the arbitrators settles it.
03-11-2012, 09:29 AM
#129
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03-11-2012, 09:43 AM
#130
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You do realize that no LUAL pilots will get to bid or bump into the 737 until the JCBA and SLI is behind us. You assume that the language in the contract regarding the subject will be the same as it is for you guys now. Are your bumping rights different than the UAL contract has? Keep in mind that when they move flying around more in the post JCBA days there will be many surpluses and bumps. This will be even more appearant when the day comes and the 400s get parked for good( probably within 5 years).
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