Profit Sharing
01-06-2013, 11:32 AM
#101
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It's easy for you to say he's blocking it, didn't you say in a older post it was a group? Which is it tracking? Go ahead throw stuff out there (muck raking)... If he is blocking it in your opinion, why not call him ? afraid of the truth or afraid of calling him and having someone with a different opinion stand up to you...I can see you don't like it.... Sure as hell I'd go to the source rather than toss out crap.... Flame away... Back to the question, Why block a grievance attempt? ...Pick up the phone and ask him...
01-06-2013, 11:54 AM
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It's easy for you to say he's blocking it, didn't you say in a older post it was a group? Which is it tracking? Go ahead throw stuff out there (muck raking)... If he is blocking it in your opinion, why not call him ? afraid of the truth or afraid of calling him and having someone with a different opinion stand up to you...I can see you don't like it.... Sure as hell I'd go to the source rather than toss out crap.... Flame away... Back to the question, Why block a grievance attempt? ...Pick up the phone and ask him...
01-06-2013, 01:16 PM
#103
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Your whole argument would hold water if you simply stated, I think Jay is blocking a grievance... I called him to ask why and he stated....... or I called him and he wouldn't return the call or email.... or he said to me I represent the cal guys not you.... Looks like your too lazy to seek answers to your own questions... Hint,do your own work!!!seek answers from the people you accuse of things, why is it important to you if he is doing so( or as you said he is)? whats your gripe anyway? Let us know the truth when you find out from him....
01-06-2013, 01:34 PM
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Simple fact is our grievance attempt against the company was initially obstructed. Fortunately the arbitrator saw through that and has allowed our grievance to proceed. Jay is not mine but yours, and his actions have spoken louder than words.
01-06-2013, 01:56 PM
#106
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I'm missing something here. How were UAL pilots actually harmed? Did they not get a profit sharing check and a bigger one than CAL pilots as well? What exactly does the UAL mec hope to get out of this grievance? Ahhhhhh unity.
01-06-2013, 02:24 PM
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We didn't bargain for it. The company wanted us to get profit sharing so they could do the happy dance with Wall Street on Feb 14, and we played right into their hands for 1/3 of a monthly paycheck. The grievance gave them plausible deniability.
Would have been better to, in unity, say thank you no, we'd like a TA now, not later. Talk about the "time value of money" we could have been under the new pay scales nine months ago more than making up for the profit sharing.
01-06-2013, 02:26 PM
#108
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Our contract had PS language that United did not follow and then refused to provide the data.
01-06-2013, 03:37 PM
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I think the profit sharing deal was the thing that got us on the road dis-unity, resulting eventually in a lot of TA yes votes from pilots who figured they had to slam the brakes on a process that just might have resulted in a better TA (98% strike vote and we take the first offer?). What big, bad deal did we leverage this for? A resolution to a 757 (2 of them) grievance that, if settled, would have resulted in a small fine.
We didn't bargain for it. The company wanted us to get profit sharing so they could do the happy dance with Wall Street on Feb 14, and we played right into their hands for 1/3 of a monthly paycheck. The grievance gave them plausible deniability.
Would have been better to, in unity, say thank you no, we'd like a TA now, not later. Talk about the "time value of money" we could have been under the new pay scales nine months ago more than making up for the profit sharing.
We didn't bargain for it. The company wanted us to get profit sharing so they could do the happy dance with Wall Street on Feb 14, and we played right into their hands for 1/3 of a monthly paycheck. The grievance gave them plausible deniability.
Would have been better to, in unity, say thank you no, we'd like a TA now, not later. Talk about the "time value of money" we could have been under the new pay scales nine months ago more than making up for the profit sharing.
01-06-2013, 04:56 PM
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One part of a unified single pilot group (for the purposes of a joint TPA) got money outside the TPA that another part of the same pilot group did not get.
As I said, to tie it to the settling of a minor grievance was simply to give the company plausible deniability that it was really for public consumption on Feb 14 that the merger was going smoothly.
Pardon me, it was the 767 and I believe it was regarding 10 of them. Estimates were that we had a slim chance of winning it and if we did the penalty to the company would have been less than a million dollars. We "leveraged" this for $40m in profit sharing. Either we were grievance geniuses or something else was afoot. When has the company ever rolled over for millions of dollars to the pilots. Heck, they'll miscalculate our pay by a dime knowing that we won't get through the Inception-like hall of mirrors that is our pay claim screen, and precharge for a buddy pass so when the buddy doesn't get on the flight the Flying Together refund process is like going to the DMV in Havana.
As I said, to tie it to the settling of a minor grievance was simply to give the company plausible deniability that it was really for public consumption on Feb 14 that the merger was going smoothly.
CHICAGO, Feb. 13, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- United Continental Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: UAL) "My co-workers worked together all year to deliver solid financial results, reliable operational performance and excellent customer service," said Jeff Smisek, United Continental Holdings' President and CEO. "We are sharing the results of working together by distributing more than a quarter of a billion dollars in profit sharing."
United Continental Holdings, Inc. - Investor Relations - News
United Continental Holdings, Inc. - Investor Relations - News
AGREEMENT between CONTINENTAL AIRLINES, INC. AND UNITED CONTINENTAL HOLDINGS, INC., and the PILOTS in the service of CONTINENTAL AIRLINES, INC. as represented by THE AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION
2. Profit Sharing. Continental Pilots will participate in the United Continental Holdings, INC, Profit Sharing Plan in accordance with the terms of that Plan, for calendar year 2011.
3. Sale of 767-200’s. CAL ALPA hereby withdraws and dismisses with prejudice Grievance numbers 6.11.027C and agrees that it will not file any other grievance or legal proceeding challenging the sale of Continental’s B767-200 fleet or otherwise attempt to hinder or impede those sales.
2. Profit Sharing. Continental Pilots will participate in the United Continental Holdings, INC, Profit Sharing Plan in accordance with the terms of that Plan, for calendar year 2011.
3. Sale of 767-200’s. CAL ALPA hereby withdraws and dismisses with prejudice Grievance numbers 6.11.027C and agrees that it will not file any other grievance or legal proceeding challenging the sale of Continental’s B767-200 fleet or otherwise attempt to hinder or impede those sales.
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