EWRflyr

Well, if that is indeed the case about spooling up for hiring, that is great news for the United furloughs and all of us in the long run. As yet there hasn't been any announcement of a recall to the L-UAL side of the house and from what I have seen on these forums, if true, there were some unfilled vacancies as well. Granted, I do not know exactly how the bidding works over there compared to our 2-4 times a year system bids.

My point being that:

1. We have been dealing with our management team for years now and they have a history of running this airline severely understaffed at times. As our illustrious former EWR CP once said, "You don't see the church building a bigger parking lot just because it's Christmas." That is the mentality that runs through the ranks of flight operations for the most part. They'll somehow make it work out with the current staffing...if not they'll just go to the press and blame the pilots for a job action.

2. Again, not knowing the how the open position staffing works over there (and having yet to hear of recalls to your side) and referencing #1, I'd say that not furloughing does have value all things being equal.

3. Flight hour/ratio protections also play a factor here as even if your side doesn't grow the need for bodies during attrition is protected. I'd say that has value, too. It has value to the pilots on furlough who could be recalled and start earning money again.

liquid

The internet really is fun!! We're to believe your Garry on an anonymous forum?

But to answer your question, why don't you go ask the bottom 100-200 guys on the LUAL seniority list?

I'll use easy math: Lets say those pilots make $100,000 per year. Do you think their salary has "value" to them when they're furloughed?
On the company side: They pay $100,000 salary, benefits, training costs, etc... What's the value to company of lopping off the bottom 100 guys? (don't tell me they won't, ask the 147 guys that were furloughed from LCAL for no reason)
Since they furloughed the bottom 100-200 they won't be needing the older 757's which are tagged for removal anyway. Block hour protection? The junior Captains are now pushed back to right seat... what value does that have to them?


"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."

Art of War
Sun Tzu

The UALMEC has made a critical error in not knowing their enemy, the new UAL flight ops is run by LCAL managers. The game has changed, time to retool and rethink.

Cue DEX to blame JP...

Tony Nelson

At this point a no furlough clause is useless. The time to have it would have been about 5 years ago. And really, if they really want to furlough they will find a way around it as they have in the past. "Circumstances beyond our control...."

liquid

See, I knew you'd find a way... Can't have a rational discussion can you?
Who said anything about a win? Come on Dex, stay on track. As Garry said, look internal at your own LEC reps, you just might be surprised.

WarEagle28

Wow...implying all CAL pilots are SCABS...IMHO You need to back up and re-evaluate those comments.

liquid

Good lord you're angry.

Blockoutblockin

oot pu dexim

EWR73FO

You are just dying to get your clicker out again, aren't you?

intrepidcv11

Dex do u really think all my friends, neighbors, and family know our give to flying **** about the inner parliamentary sword play that lead to profit sharing? If you think some how yours do then time to revalute your personnel life. You must be a blast on a 4 day. Nothing better then that chode that rambles on and on about his union related opinions on a 14 hr duty day.

13n144e

Your kidding, right? Not even a **** yourself could buy into this hogwash. Your panties are in such a wad over PS and Pierce, your willing to completely alienate about half the folks who will vote on the same JCBA as yourself. Guys like you have and will do more to **** up this JCBA than Pierce and profit sharing ever will. Continue to wallow in your bitterness and I'm sure you'll feel much better in 5 or 6 years time when neither pilot group has a CBA - joint or otherwise. And since you brought up looking in mirrors - how'd it feel after throwing 1400 of your own under the bus?