Gator570

Pierce has displayed SCAB-like behavior in stepping over the backs of the unity between the CAL & UAL pilots to claim the prize. For those who preach unity, there can be none as long as any leadership displays this behavior. That is the entire point here. The UAL pilots are not upset with their brothers and sisters gaining PS. They are upset that we did not work as a team to get it, even if it meant forgoing it for a short time. The UAL pilots would most certainly sacrifice for the benefit of the whole - we've done it before and we'll do it again.

The question at hand is will the CAL pilots join us? And if so, will you take necessary actions to rid yourselves and all of us of leadership that doesn't know how to play by these union rules?

Management loves this stuff, yes. But there would be nothing for them to love if it were not for an individual such as Pierce. A leader who understood that the collective good far outweighs temporary gains will do more for unity, more for the profession, and more for himself in terms of legacy than a self-serving short gain thinker. Managements think short term. Pierce thinks short term.

Are we more sophisticated than that?

syd111

Have you ever walked off the property before?

CALFO

OK, I'll bite...

You are correct. We did not work as a team. There is much debate as to why this happened, but to blame Pierce solely for this is ignoring what really happened between these MEC's. If we want to move forward towards a JCBA then we are going to have to figure out a way not only to work as a team but to resolve our differences in private.

ewrbasedpilot

For yours and our sake I'm sure hoping forgoing the furlough protection wasn't a MAJOR mistake on your MEC's part. If they are indeed talking about parking a lot more aircraft, the furloughs could be rather large............THEN we'll see who had the smarter representation. Jay did what his constituents wanted............... IMO, walking out and giving up furlough protection may have been a very COSTLY mistake. We'll see...............

reCALcitrant

I have 2 jobs. Working the other right now. 2 years now in fact. Btw, I've quit many a jobs that people thought were great. I am always willing to leave a job that doesn't treat me right.

UalHvy

2 jobs? Wouldn't it be great if we could negotiate together and get a decent contract so that you don't feel a need to have 2 jobs?

I have 3 jobs....walk uphill in the snow against the wind to all of them....blah blah blah

reCALcitrant

I'm an AF reservist. Been on mil leave for 2 years. Ever since the guys were furloughed (not me) at my airline.

AxlF16

Are you in a flying billet? I'm also AFRes...heading to the 'deid at the end of this month to work as CCO in the CAOC. Sorry for the acronyms...I'm sure it means nothing to most of us here

EWRflyr

But that allegedly has "no value" to the LUAL pilots. While Kravit believes us getting profit sharing and being able to deposit it into a 401(k) will provide value for years to come if not in perpetuity, there is "no value" to pilots being furloughed, their income going to zero for possibly years to come and no further money going into their 401(k)/retirement plans.

It's been said that the UAL side is so understaffed that a furlough wouldn't happen as bodies are needed, especially with Age 65 coming this December. Well, now the UAL side is dealing with OUR management who has a history of running the company understaffed even when it is evident to all that more bodies are needed. They furloughed 147 of our brothers and sisters when they didn't have to and we still needed them during peak flying.

Don't put it past management to figure a way of needing less bodies on the LUAL side, either by attrition or furlough. Even if no furlough the bodies on the street right now could sure see some "value" for their future prospects if they were able to return to work to the LUAL side.

Just an observation. Value is all relative depending on your perspective.

reCALcitrant

Have fun with that! Watch out for the uniform nazis. I'll PM you.