Originally Posted by liquid

Really??

From YOUR Chairperson

Late this week, the company rejected our counter and stated: “Please be advised that even with your rejection of our TPA extension proposal, we have no current intention of terminating the no-furlough and ratio protections in the TPA.”

So do you have furlough and block hour protection or not?

Originally Posted by dexim

I think pulling the 767-200 grievance out of the closet was a way of getting around the status quo provision. I don't think the CAL MEC came up with it, but was offered by the company as a way around the UAL MEC. Looks good for the CAL MEC and the company. UAL MEC will look bad if they challenge and lose it in court which they likely will.

Down side for the CAL guys is the initial documentation in the 767-200 grievance may hurt the CAL guys in the SLI. Big question is/was the 787. Was it an additional aircraft or a replacement.

Originally Posted by dexim

Don't blame for what happened. I was just discussing the issues with another pilot. No mas!

Happy New Year!
Enjoy your Bonus!

Originally Posted by BusJock

My theory....CAL wants UAL to go away and just take our cash as they were down to nothing in their accounts before the merger and UAL WAS rolling in dough.

Originally Posted by dexim

I don't think the L-UAL MEC agreed to an extension. It was the L-CAL MEC going for a money grab. The company said they were unlikely to furlough or change the block hour ratio. That's different.

Originally Posted by EWRflyr

$3.8 billion vs. $3.3 billion

WOW! Just rolling in it at UAL. How did CAL even make it to Q2 2010!?

But let's not allow facts to stand in the way of emotional arguments.

Originally Posted by BusJock

So where is the ALPA brotherhood we so glibly speak of? The T&PA is dying and us at UAL are getting the screw job as CAL is getting a benefit WE negotiated while in bankruptcy to lessen the blow of losing 40+ % of our pay! Aside from the fact that your guy took profit sharing in lieu of the 767 grievance potential $$, why does anyone with a true long term union vision celebrate a benefit so trifle in cash yet so monumental in principle when it is a slap in the face of your alleged UAL brethren? Why are CAL pilots salivating at opening domices in DEN and ORD for guppies at the expense of UAL "brethren" who will obviously be pushed out of seats and domiciles to make room? Can't anyone rise above the short term and see the long term effects? Do we not know that the management boobs know this will drive a wedge between us? As I force commute to IAH I, for one will curse CAL pilots with every breath as it is us at ALPA, not management who forced me to be away from my family 4 to 6 more days a month on reserve!!! So, welcome to your new domice and your new profit sharing....WOO HOO! I am so convinced that we are the stupidest group of idiots on the planet....and so is management!

Originally Posted by ualratt

Remember this: Your worst enemy is not "management" my friend. They are just doing the job they are paid to do. Your worst enemy is another pilot. For Jay Pierce, the enemy (management) of his enemy (UALMEC) is his friend...

Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA

The piloting profession as a knowledgeable craft and skill is honorable. However, it is not a "brotherhood." It is "war" in the context of competitive business and job preservation.

No "brotherhood" or union can be all things to all people when it comes to scope issues and this industry.