Negotiated profit sharing 2011
12-31-2011, 04:57 PM
#51
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Spoken like a true victim. I can understand being a bit perturbed if you were to interpret profit sharing as a breech of the status quo. Fine, I get that, but please stop whining about "what the CAL MEC did to the UAL MEC". If anything we may have hurt ourselves by negotiating away our grievance of the 76 sale. I have no clue as to how you think the CAL MEC "did this before" but, trust me, no one is asking, or cares about, your "forgiveness".
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12-31-2011, 05:00 PM
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12-31-2011, 06:02 PM
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You asked:
"So can anyone tell me the benefit of moving roughly 130 seat A320 away from ORD and DEN and then bringing 737s with about the same seats into ORD?"
The answer to this lies in the performance capabilities of the two airplanes. While I have not flown the next gen 737s I have flown the 737-200. -300, -500 and the Airbus 320/319 and if there are any similarities in the 737s I flew and the Next Gen, the A320/319 is a better high altitude/short field airplane. It doesn't have the legs of the -800 or -900 but it should do its job well for those south of the border cities.
Additionally the Airbus series has a much more (relative to the 737 and even 757) comfy cabin width and is probably better suited for the "international" service from the south.
Overall it is a marketing decision based upon airplane gauge.
Now how do I feel about you dorks who want to rip each other another hole? Gentlemen and Ladies, get over it! What's done is done and will set the stage for the next round of interaction. My observation from the cheap seats is, all of these blessings from UCH Management to LCAL MEC says one thing to me, they are going to continue to put the LUAL MEC in its place.
Pete MacDonald made it very clear how much he strongly dislikes LUAL pilots and the apple hasn't fallen from the tree far at all. I expect more cooperation directed towards the LCAL MEC in the future and a stone wall to the LUAL MEC. But, nothing new since 2000.
Enjoy the New Year and the new pilot bases. DEN is a whole lot better than IAH, ORD not so much and CLE, I enjoyed my few years of being based there in the late 70s and early 80s but wouldn't go back.
Please stop the fighting and have a beer or two together!
"So can anyone tell me the benefit of moving roughly 130 seat A320 away from ORD and DEN and then bringing 737s with about the same seats into ORD?"
The answer to this lies in the performance capabilities of the two airplanes. While I have not flown the next gen 737s I have flown the 737-200. -300, -500 and the Airbus 320/319 and if there are any similarities in the 737s I flew and the Next Gen, the A320/319 is a better high altitude/short field airplane. It doesn't have the legs of the -800 or -900 but it should do its job well for those south of the border cities.
Additionally the Airbus series has a much more (relative to the 737 and even 757) comfy cabin width and is probably better suited for the "international" service from the south.
Overall it is a marketing decision based upon airplane gauge.
Now how do I feel about you dorks who want to rip each other another hole? Gentlemen and Ladies, get over it! What's done is done and will set the stage for the next round of interaction. My observation from the cheap seats is, all of these blessings from UCH Management to LCAL MEC says one thing to me, they are going to continue to put the LUAL MEC in its place.
Pete MacDonald made it very clear how much he strongly dislikes LUAL pilots and the apple hasn't fallen from the tree far at all. I expect more cooperation directed towards the LCAL MEC in the future and a stone wall to the LUAL MEC. But, nothing new since 2000.
Enjoy the New Year and the new pilot bases. DEN is a whole lot better than IAH, ORD not so much and CLE, I enjoyed my few years of being based there in the late 70s and early 80s but wouldn't go back.
Please stop the fighting and have a beer or two together!
12-31-2011, 06:59 PM
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December 31, 2011
In consultation with Captain Jay Heppner, who takes office as Master Chairman tomorrow, we advised the company of the following:
The undersigned hereby protests the determination, as announced yesterday by the Corporation, to extend to the Continental pilots profit sharing for 2011, ostensibly, as we understand it, as part of a grievance settlement. While we are not necessarily opposed to the CAL pilots receiving profit sharing for 2011, it is the process we believe to be violative of the Transition and Process Agreement, the status quo provisions of the Railway Labor Act and our CBA. We are actively exploring our legal options and expect to formally challenge this action within the next few days. The purpose of this message is to expressly reserve all of our legal rights with respect to this matter.
Captain Wendy Morse, Chairman, UAL-MEC
Apologies in advance, Dexim, if the CAL MEC doesn't rush right out in support of L-UAL's "legal options"...
In consultation with Captain Jay Heppner, who takes office as Master Chairman tomorrow, we advised the company of the following:
The undersigned hereby protests the determination, as announced yesterday by the Corporation, to extend to the Continental pilots profit sharing for 2011, ostensibly, as we understand it, as part of a grievance settlement. While we are not necessarily opposed to the CAL pilots receiving profit sharing for 2011, it is the process we believe to be violative of the Transition and Process Agreement, the status quo provisions of the Railway Labor Act and our CBA. We are actively exploring our legal options and expect to formally challenge this action within the next few days. The purpose of this message is to expressly reserve all of our legal rights with respect to this matter.
Captain Wendy Morse, Chairman, UAL-MEC
Apologies in advance, Dexim, if the CAL MEC doesn't rush right out in support of L-UAL's "legal options"...
12-31-2011, 07:42 PM
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Transition and Process Agreement, the status quo provisions of the Railway Labor Act and our CBA. We are actively exploring our legal options and expect to formally challenge this action within the next few days. The purpose of this message is to expressly reserve all
Apologies in advance, Dexim, if the CAL MEC doesn't rush right out in support of L-UAL's "legal options"...[/QUOTE]
Hahahaha as if we're doing for the edification of the cal mec.
Apologies in advance, Dexim, if the CAL MEC doesn't rush right out in support of L-UAL's "legal options"...[/QUOTE]
Hahahaha as if we're doing for the edification of the cal mec.
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12-31-2011, 08:08 PM
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Transition and Process Agreement, the status quo provisions of the Railway Labor Act and our CBA. We are actively exploring our legal options and expect to formally challenge this action within the next few days...
Hahahaha as if we're doing for the edification of the cal mec.
Hahahaha as if we're doing for the edification of the cal mec.
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01-01-2012, 04:42 AM
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Both MECs are free to negotiate for their pilot group and I too hope the UAL and CAL MECs are collaborating on how best to protect interest during the TPA. From talking with the CAL leadership, that collaboration is occurring. The What and the degree...I do not know. I also hope that in that process, we don't give away the farm. I sure hope the MECs are working together to ensure the company does not pull the " furlough card" or any other card in their hand at this point that .as you stated we shall see. Be curious what the UAL MEC take and communication is on this issue
“I would like to thank the chair of the CO ALPA MEC, Capt. Jay Pierce, for his leadership and constructive engagement on this issue,” noted Labor Relations SVP Doug McKeen.
YEA JAY!! What a PR win for the company. You see....everything is FINE!Here is the UAL ALPA response to the company:
"The undersigned hereby protests the determination, as announced yesterday by the Corporation, to extend to the Continental pilots profit sharing for 2011, ostensibly, as we understand it, as part of a grievance settlement. While we are not necessarily opposed to the CAL pilots receiving profit sharing for 2011, it is the process we believe to be violative of the Transition and Process Agreement, the status quo provisions of the Railway Labor Act and our CBA. We are actively exploring our legal options and expect to formally challenge this action within the next few days. The purpose of this message is to expressly reserve all of our legal rights with respect to this matter.
Captain Wendy Morse, Chairman, UAL-MEC"
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01-01-2012, 04:51 AM
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December 31, 2011
In consultation with Captain Jay Heppner, who takes office as Master Chairman tomorrow, we advised the company of the following:
The undersigned hereby protests the determination, as announced yesterday by the Corporation, to extend to the Continental pilots profit sharing for 2011, ostensibly, as we understand it, as part of a grievance settlement. While we are not necessarily opposed to the CAL pilots receiving profit sharing for 2011, it is the process we believe to be violative of the Transition and Process Agreement, the status quo provisions of the Railway Labor Act and our CBA. We are actively exploring our legal options and expect to formally challenge this action within the next few days. The purpose of this message is to expressly reserve all of our legal rights with respect to this matter.
Captain Wendy Morse, Chairman, UAL-MEC
Apologies in advance, Dexim, if the CAL MEC doesn't rush right out in support of L-UAL's "legal options"...
In consultation with Captain Jay Heppner, who takes office as Master Chairman tomorrow, we advised the company of the following:
The undersigned hereby protests the determination, as announced yesterday by the Corporation, to extend to the Continental pilots profit sharing for 2011, ostensibly, as we understand it, as part of a grievance settlement. While we are not necessarily opposed to the CAL pilots receiving profit sharing for 2011, it is the process we believe to be violative of the Transition and Process Agreement, the status quo provisions of the Railway Labor Act and our CBA. We are actively exploring our legal options and expect to formally challenge this action within the next few days. The purpose of this message is to expressly reserve all of our legal rights with respect to this matter.
Captain Wendy Morse, Chairman, UAL-MEC
Apologies in advance, Dexim, if the CAL MEC doesn't rush right out in support of L-UAL's "legal options"...
So you want to continue with individual negotiations for whatever each side can get for itself??? Who needs a JCBA when you can work it like Jay?? You don't believe the status quo has been violated? Do the Cal pilots deserve compensation ABOVE AND BEYOND their contract while the UAL pilots get NOTHING? Just curious.
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