Negotiated profit sharing 2011
12-31-2011, 09:51 AM
#41
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Nice job guys.BTW, Denver and Chicago domiciles would be horrible for my lifestyle. Many of us like living in the warm weather. Hub changing is only good for very few.
12-31-2011, 09:56 AM
#42
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Domiciles?
So can anyone tell me the benefit of moving roughly 130 seat A320 away from ORD and DEN and then bringing 737s with about the same seats into ORD? How is THAT moving seats where they better serve our route structures?? Apples for apples in my book...or is there another sinister reason to void that aspect of the T&PA?
My theory....CAL wants UAL to go away and just take our cash as they were down to nothing in their accounts before the merger and UAL WAS rolling in dough. No JCBA and CAL management will furlough 1000 UALs and ten asks who's left if they like the co. proposed JCBA. We say no. They furlough 1000 more UALs and they ask again what we think of their proposals. We say no again, they furlough more, until finally what's left of UAL agrees to the crappy JCBA just to save their jobs....THEN we are one with over 3000 UALs gone. VICTORY!!! But for management and the CALs. My theory, my opinion. Hope I'm wrong. So goes the death of UAL. Memorial services by next December so keep your calendar cleared.
My theory....CAL wants UAL to go away and just take our cash as they were down to nothing in their accounts before the merger and UAL WAS rolling in dough. No JCBA and CAL management will furlough 1000 UALs and ten asks who's left if they like the co. proposed JCBA. We say no. They furlough 1000 more UALs and they ask again what we think of their proposals. We say no again, they furlough more, until finally what's left of UAL agrees to the crappy JCBA just to save their jobs....THEN we are one with over 3000 UALs gone. VICTORY!!! But for management and the CALs. My theory, my opinion. Hope I'm wrong. So goes the death of UAL. Memorial services by next December so keep your calendar cleared.
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12-31-2011, 10:17 AM
#43
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So can anyone tell me the benefit of moving roughly 130 seat A320 away from ORD and DEN and then bringing 373s with about the same seats into ORD? How is THAT moving seats where they better serve our route structures?? Apples for apples in my book...or is there another sinister reason to void that aspect of the T&PA?
My theory....CAL wants UAL to go away and just take our cash as they were down to nothing in their accounts before the merger and UAL WAS rolling in dough. No JCBA and CAL management will furlough 1000 UALs and ten asks who's left if they like the co. proposed JCBA. We say no. They furlough 1000 more UALs and they ask again what we think of their proposals. We say no again, they furlough more, until finally what's left of UAL agrees to the crappy JCBA just to save their jobs....THEN we are one with over 3000 UALs gone. VICTORY!!! But for management and the CALs. My theory, my opinion. Hope I'm wrong. So goes the death of UAL. Memorial services by next December so keep your calendar cleared.
My theory....CAL wants UAL to go away and just take our cash as they were down to nothing in their accounts before the merger and UAL WAS rolling in dough. No JCBA and CAL management will furlough 1000 UALs and ten asks who's left if they like the co. proposed JCBA. We say no. They furlough 1000 more UALs and they ask again what we think of their proposals. We say no again, they furlough more, until finally what's left of UAL agrees to the crappy JCBA just to save their jobs....THEN we are one with over 3000 UALs gone. VICTORY!!! But for management and the CALs. My theory, my opinion. Hope I'm wrong. So goes the death of UAL. Memorial services by next December so keep your calendar cleared.
12-31-2011, 10:39 AM
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Busjock, the conjecture is that the cargo ability of the bus is more suited to south flying out of IAH.
On the second point one need look no further than free market principles to show that you are right on the money in your analysis. CAL is cheaper, no rigs, no soft time, etc. We're already seeing less productive flying migrate. Doesn't UAL contract require 16 hours no duty before a redeye? CAL does not, just FAR. Seems like a lot of redeyes are coming over too. We can fly west in a.m., redeye same p.m. Also check CLE MCO in April--two of four dailies are 319s.
I fear you are right in that they are going to move flying over until the 1500 UAL pilots are flying under CAL workrules, while getting CAL to capitulate on this and that until UAL is small or gone. It is a tragic turn of events for ALL pilots who were hoping this was our time to get out from under the boot.
On the second point one need look no further than free market principles to show that you are right on the money in your analysis. CAL is cheaper, no rigs, no soft time, etc. We're already seeing less productive flying migrate. Doesn't UAL contract require 16 hours no duty before a redeye? CAL does not, just FAR. Seems like a lot of redeyes are coming over too. We can fly west in a.m., redeye same p.m. Also check CLE MCO in April--two of four dailies are 319s.
I fear you are right in that they are going to move flying over until the 1500 UAL pilots are flying under CAL workrules, while getting CAL to capitulate on this and that until UAL is small or gone. It is a tragic turn of events for ALL pilots who were hoping this was our time to get out from under the boot.
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12-31-2011, 10:41 AM
#46
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So file a lawsuit and get more money for the UAL group! I will strongly support it. I hope you all can get a million dollars a year. It will give us something to negotiate with. I also am willing to negotiate with my feet. I fear many on both sides are not. In fact, I can't believe anybody came back after being furloughed twice.
I'm sure that most who are coming back are only doing so to better their financial state.
Go Heels!
12-31-2011, 10:58 AM
#47
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Our goal is not to negotiate a JCBA via side deals. How many side deals and years would it take to produce a JCBA? Does the NMB recognize this form of pattern bargaining? Would it produce an impasse? The status quo not only protects what little we have left, but it prevents the company from whipsawing.
I'm sure that most who are coming back are only doing so to better their financial state.
Go Heels!
I'm sure that most who are coming back are only doing so to better their financial state.
Go Heels!
So be willing to burn the mf down. Again, too many people think that they can't do anything else and make the kind of money. We are all college educated professionals. Act like it. I have 2 jobs just for this reason. It allows me always do the right thing and say up yours whenever I want.
They have a lot more to lose financially than you and I. We will have jobs in the future as airline flying is only increasing. Go Heels back at you!
Fraternally.
12-31-2011, 11:58 AM
#48
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[QUOTE=socalflyboy;1110014]Well, for one, I personally do not know ONE SINGLE cal pilot who is happy and "celebrating" this sorry a$$ one time check..secondly, why would you come on this board and "preach" unity, yet stir up more division.."salivating" at new domiciles? are you high? do you know how many people have moved to IAH for the long haul..to raise there kids and settle down..now to maybe have it reduced by 40%(as the rumor mill implies)?? and you think they are celebrating this notion..not trying to slam you, but it seams very ironic to state unity in the first title, then slam us in the remainder of the post...if you are gonna curse
Oh the "dummey" gets cursed plenty...especially by the 1437. He also did an end around to our JCBA. We can add Pierce to that list too.
And for the record, selling out the 737s was not for 70 seaters. It was to RIGHT SIZE for the stupid merger.
Unity? Hah! Its every man for himself now.
Oh the "dummey" gets cursed plenty...especially by the 1437. He also did an end around to our JCBA. We can add Pierce to that list too.
And for the record, selling out the 737s was not for 70 seaters. It was to RIGHT SIZE for the stupid merger.
Unity? Hah! Its every man for himself now.
12-31-2011, 01:46 PM
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So can anyone tell me the benefit of moving roughly 130 seat A320 away from ORD and DEN and then bringing 737s with about the same seats into ORD? How is THAT moving seats where they better serve our route structures?? Apples for apples in my book...or is there another sinister reason to void that aspect of the T&PA?
My theory....CAL wants UAL to go away and just take our cash as they were down to nothing in their accounts before the merger and UAL WAS rolling in dough. No JCBA and CAL management will furlough 1000 UALs and ten asks who's left if they like the co. proposed JCBA. We say no. They furlough 1000 more UALs and they ask again what we think of their proposals. We say no again, they furlough more, until finally what's left of UAL agrees to the crappy JCBA just to save their jobs....THEN we are one with over 3000 UALs gone. VICTORY!!! But for management and the CALs. My theory, my opinion. Hope I'm wrong. So goes the death of UAL. Memorial services by next December so keep your calendar cleared.
My theory....CAL wants UAL to go away and just take our cash as they were down to nothing in their accounts before the merger and UAL WAS rolling in dough. No JCBA and CAL management will furlough 1000 UALs and ten asks who's left if they like the co. proposed JCBA. We say no. They furlough 1000 more UALs and they ask again what we think of their proposals. We say no again, they furlough more, until finally what's left of UAL agrees to the crappy JCBA just to save their jobs....THEN we are one with over 3000 UALs gone. VICTORY!!! But for management and the CALs. My theory, my opinion. Hope I'm wrong. So goes the death of UAL. Memorial services by next December so keep your calendar cleared.
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