Negotiated profit sharing 2011
12-30-2011, 08:00 PM
#21
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At the moment of the TPA we were all at a neutral set point, UAL with theIr CBA and what they had negotiated together in the TPA, and CAL with our CBA and what we had negotiated together in the TPA.
CAL has just negotiated a side deal which unbalances the neutral set point. We got our pidly one-time $5,000. Now, I wish the UAL pilots the best of luck in getting their own side deal of CAL payrates, worth an average of $23,000/yr ongoing year after year unil the JCBA.
While UAL pilots are enjoying their $2,000/mo increase in pay, the CAL pilots will be in this exact same position next year, begging to not be the only ones left out of 2012 profit sharing, while UAL pilots enjoy not only their profit sharing, guaranteed and unending in their CBA, but ALSO their $23,000 pay raise this year and every year.
I want to make it clear that I'm not bitter in any way about belonging to such a pathetic pilot group. So dependable to always be on the bottom and, even now at the dawn of bright and hopeful 2012, ensuring that we will never rise above our meager and measly past.
CAL has just negotiated a side deal which unbalances the neutral set point. We got our pidly one-time $5,000. Now, I wish the UAL pilots the best of luck in getting their own side deal of CAL payrates, worth an average of $23,000/yr ongoing year after year unil the JCBA.
While UAL pilots are enjoying their $2,000/mo increase in pay, the CAL pilots will be in this exact same position next year, begging to not be the only ones left out of 2012 profit sharing, while UAL pilots enjoy not only their profit sharing, guaranteed and unending in their CBA, but ALSO their $23,000 pay raise this year and every year.
I want to make it clear that I'm not bitter in any way about belonging to such a pathetic pilot group. So dependable to always be on the bottom and, even now at the dawn of bright and hopeful 2012, ensuring that we will never rise above our meager and measly past.
12-30-2011, 08:04 PM
#22
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12-30-2011, 08:11 PM
#23
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This was the nexus, the crossroads, the wrinkle in the time-space continuum, to get this pilot group engaged. Feb 14, 2012, a day that could have lived in famy, when the sedentary and clueless pilot group could have realized how much we've been had.
Instead we've been given the opiate of ten days worth of pay to return us to our lethargic and apathetic stasis, woozy and unaware of the hundreds of thousands of dollars retained at our expense by those who live in their castles, their estates, their châteaus, and their mansions.
Instead we've been given the opiate of ten days worth of pay to return us to our lethargic and apathetic stasis, woozy and unaware of the hundreds of thousands of dollars retained at our expense by those who live in their castles, their estates, their châteaus, and their mansions.
12-30-2011, 08:36 PM
#25
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That's my point. Don't believe the old saying "Never look a gift horse in the mouth"! You may not have put a price tag on yourself, but someone is getting ready to buy you. From the CAL pilot perspective, you should wonder WHY they're paying you money they don't have to pay you. From a UAL pilot perspective, I wonder what they expect to get from the CAL pilot group in return for this payment. The more wary side of me thinks that Pierce has already cut a deal in private. Your leadership has created the environment of distrust we are about to live in for the remainder of this merger. No offense to you personally, but I don't trust your leadership one IOTA at this point. They have chosen their (and your) position by their actions.
12-31-2011, 12:33 AM
#26
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If the UAL m/c negotiates a side deal outside of the TPA for 10s of millions of dollars in additonal compensation for UAL pilots only, will that be side stepping the CAL MEC??? Is that ok with you??? or would you be a little suspicious and ticked?? Just asking. I hope there is some form of deal with the UAL MEC. If not, a DFR lawsuit could be in order. We shall see.
12-31-2011, 05:09 AM
#27
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At the moment of the TPA we were all at a neutral set point, UAL with theIr CBA and what they had negotiated together in the TPA, and CAL with our CBA and what we had negotiated together in the TPA.
CAL has just negotiated a side deal which unbalances the neutral set point. We got our pidly one-time $5,000. Now, I wish the UAL pilots the best of luck in getting their own side deal of CAL payrates, worth an average of $23,000/yr ongoing year after year unil the JCBA.
While UAL pilots are enjoying their $2,000/mo increase in pay, the CAL pilots will be in this exact same position next year, begging to not be the only ones left out of 2012 profit sharing, while UAL pilots enjoy not only their profit sharing, guaranteed and unending in their CBA, but ALSO their $23,000 pay raise this year and every year.
I want to make it clear that I'm not bitter in any way about belonging to such a pathetic pilot group. So dependable to always be on the bottom and, even now at the dawn of bright and hopeful 2012, ensuring that we will never rise above our meager and measly past.
CAL has just negotiated a side deal which unbalances the neutral set point. We got our pidly one-time $5,000. Now, I wish the UAL pilots the best of luck in getting their own side deal of CAL payrates, worth an average of $23,000/yr ongoing year after year unil the JCBA.
While UAL pilots are enjoying their $2,000/mo increase in pay, the CAL pilots will be in this exact same position next year, begging to not be the only ones left out of 2012 profit sharing, while UAL pilots enjoy not only their profit sharing, guaranteed and unending in their CBA, but ALSO their $23,000 pay raise this year and every year.
I want to make it clear that I'm not bitter in any way about belonging to such a pathetic pilot group. So dependable to always be on the bottom and, even now at the dawn of bright and hopeful 2012, ensuring that we will never rise above our meager and measly past.
12-31-2011, 05:18 AM
#28
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You never get used to it. Yesterday my hope was that it would not turn out this way. Such a small amount of money to forego and the chance for a much larger payoff--some pilot unity, a quicker JCBA and a quite large retro check. Now my hope is that UAL negotiates their own side deal, the bigger the better, for the same reason.
12-31-2011, 05:23 AM
#29
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It's now evident that Pierce has no problem with violation of the status quo; an important element in our quest for a JCBA. Now we have a two-front war.
It's now evident UAL has plans to further encroach our domiciles with B737s. First LAX, now DEN and ORD. Right sizing indeed! At the expense of myself and 1436 brothers and sisters.
HEY ISL ARBITRATOR....YOU LISTNING?
It's now evident UAL has plans to further encroach our domiciles with B737s. First LAX, now DEN and ORD. Right sizing indeed! At the expense of myself and 1436 brothers and sisters.
HEY ISL ARBITRATOR....YOU LISTNING?
12-31-2011, 05:48 AM
#30
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You never get used to it. Yesterday my hope was that it would not turn out this way. Such a small amount of money to forego and the chance for a much larger payoff--some pilot unity, a quicker JCBA and a quite large retro check. Now my hope is that UAL negotiates their own side deal, the bigger the better, for the same reason.
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