Regularguy

I'm pleased you LCAL guys and gals can enter the new year knowing you will get a few extra bucks in your pockets come February.

But why do I fell so sold out?

This sounds so much like John Ferg.

AxlF16

Slammer,

It's not a lucrative settlement -- it's a blatant payoff to keep support among the CAL pilots. As long as you guys believe mgmt has ANY decent or honest intentions, you will be playing into their hands. You stated ALL the proof you need in your one paragraph! A 'highly unlikely' lucrative win, a slam dunk win on the blatant 70 seater scope violation that resulted in peanuts (and foot dragging non-compliance AFTER the award!), and the 'unknown' of how an arbitrator will rule all lead to the conclusion that the 'settlement' is out of all proportions to the risk the company faced.

You guys are being bought. Will you notice and react?

ewr756drive

Who here is ready for vote of no confidence! ALPA is a dog and pony show plain and simple.
- ALPA against outsourcing: but wait... don't they represent those pilots flying (70-seats)???
- ALPA wins 70-seat scope: Oh wait, cannot get anyone to enforce it!
-ALPA sells 4800+ pilots out for what... 2% p/s???
-Jeff laughs all the way home...
Dont worry though...they get to keep there desk job for the next xx years (that we pay for) while they try to get a JCBA that can pass the mass vote. Mmm...sounds like a winner.

Ottopilot

Now is not the time to change unions. I'd vote an in-house United union after the contract and seniority list is done. Of course, we have to avoid voting the same people in too.

Slammer

Never said it was lucrative, just the opposite in fact a 767 win would have been a non-event economically for CAL pilots.

Slammer

How does it side step the UAL MEC?

Slammer

No need to be self righteous, given the sell " your pilot out" principals that happened well before this merger and led to 1400 + pilots on the street..hence the 70 seaters, that we are all against and must put back in the bottle.
Do you know the exact CAL language on 50+ jets? If so, you'd know the issue was CAL hub-to-hub and codes. It was never intended to prevent the company from flying 70 seaters under UAL code between hubs.

APC225

At the moment of the TPA we were all at a neutral set point, UAL with theIr CBA and what they had negotiated together in the TPA, and CAL with our CBA and what we had negotiated together in the TPA.

CAL has just negotiated a side deal which unbalances the neutral set point. We got our pidly one-time $5,000. Now, I wish the UAL pilots the best of luck in getting their own side deal of CAL payrates, worth an average of $23,000/yr ongoing year after year unil the JCBA.

While UAL pilots are enjoying their $2,000/mo increase in pay, the CAL pilots will be in this exact same position next year, begging to not be the only ones left out of 2012 profit sharing, while UAL pilots enjoy not only their profit sharing, guaranteed and unending in their CBA, but ALSO their $23,000 pay raise this year and every year.

I want to make it clear that I'm not bitter in any way about belonging to such a pathetic pilot group. So dependable to always be on the bottom and, even now at the dawn of bright and hopeful 2012, ensuring that we will never rise above our meager and measly past.

AxlF16

That's my point. Don't believe the old saying "Never look a gift horse in the mouth"! You may not have put a price tag on yourself, but someone is getting ready to buy you. From the CAL pilot perspective, you should wonder WHY they're paying you money they don't have to pay you. From a UAL pilot perspective, I wonder what they expect to get from the CAL pilot group in return for this payment. The more wary side of me thinks that Pierce has already cut a deal in private. Your leadership has created the environment of distrust we are about to live in for the remainder of this merger. No offense to you personally, but I don't trust your leadership one IOTA at this point. They have chosen their (and your) position by their actions.

APC225

Dexim, thanks. "It just doesn't look right." Wiser words were never spoken.