13n144e

Wouldn't bother me at all. I flew with a UAL furloughee (actually VLA I think) and I believe he was making somewhat more than myself for the trip. I thought it was hysterical that the company had to pay Captain+ rates for a new hire FO. Any money that comes out of Slimesack's pockets and goes into any pilot's is all good by me. Apparently there's a lot of UAL pilots who don't share that sentiment unless the pocket is their own.

APC225

While I think strategically it would have been a useful kick in the pants to the sleepers to not get PS, I totally agree with this. We get PS, UAL gets our pay scales, then we go after work rules, etc. If UCH is going to fight a JCBA maybe this will be the only to climb the ladder.

SpecialTracking

Please stop trying to paint UAL pilots in a negative light so you can apply lipstick on this profit sharing side deal. The whole issue is status quo.

If CAL gets a $40 million pop, that's great as as long as the UAL pilots receive the same consideration. The door swings both ways. If the UAL pilots were recipient of a $25 million contract improvement, we should demand the CAL pilots should receive the same benefit.

Maintaining the status quo keeps the whipsaw gorilla out of the room. The real issue, read jbca, should remain on point as the primary issue. If management thinks they can whipsaw or create animosity amongst the pilots, they will drag this out as long as they can.

How fast could we have a contract if every pilot was pulling on the same rope with conviction? United we stand, divided we fall.

boxer6

Really? I'm not talking about just from the CAL pilot opinion. He is Ex COEX mgmt, right? And.. worked for Jonathon Ornstein too? How scary. Watch your back?

Ok, correct me if I'm wrong but that stipulation had an expiration date that was agreed upon by CALAPA, did it not? Do you mean to say you are entitled to it anyway? And, if it was something that you were not entitled to anymore how is that different than the pay rates UAL was asking for? Sounds like left field vs. right field

I agree, it prevents whipsawing... if that is what you mean to say. Is it?

Huh, I thought it was Pierce's initial push for the $40M PS payout that opened your TPA up. Am I wrong? If so, who opened it up and what did they want?



Sure, isn't the goal a joint, much improved JCBA? My comment on costing you more has to do with the loss of leverage now and how that could manifest in the final JCBA.

Not sure if you have thought about how important your JCBA is for EVERYONE in the industry. Scope,work rules, pay. Future contracts will be bargained off of this one and that is why those who seemingly shouldn't be interested how this plays out, are. Yeah.. we care. We ALL should.




@Slammer. I disagree. There was an opportunity for more leverage and it has been squandered for some shekles. I remembering the paybanding issue here last summer or fall. I recall UA-ALPA did not want paybanding and wanting to remove the ones they had...CAL wanted it. Who compromised for the sake of moving forward? I don't think it was CAL. Trust? My buddies tell me CAL wanted to move the 767 into the 400 pay and the 737-900 into the 757 for SLI..and now want to collect UAL W2's, seemingly for SLI as well.. Trust? Or is this not true?

13n144e

That's my point. I don't really believe the whole issue is status quo. As I've said before, I think no-furlough and block hour ratio protection are worth MUCH more than my crappy little profit sharing check and apparently this is what was originally on the table. Then, from what I understand, the UAL MEC Chair went back and double-downed by throwing domicile fences and CAL pay rates on the table as well. If all this had transpired I highly doubt I would hear one complaint about "status quo" from any UAL guys. Yet here we are.

Couldn't agree more.

boxer6

+1 Maybe you can have better luck trying to convince CALFO than I have.

SoCentralRain

Really pathetic. Whipsawing and animosity. Just what management wants to hear. Delay delay delay. Read what the latest United Daily states today regarding progress that management hopes to achieve with union-represented employees. Essentially, "we hope to reach agreements with many of them this year". Not all. Certainly not the pilots. Why should they with little side deals agreed to so easily?

Divide and conquer. CRAP!

I've been on furlough for 9 years now. You guys happy with your measly ONE YEAR profit sharing check now?

Damn it. ::furious::

SCR

intrepidcv11

So now it has been decided Cal guys are 'happy' then? First I've heard of it but I guess if the shoe fits wear it based on the animosity of this thread.

watching6

If my memory serves me right on login names vs. real names, I believe you have already read a post by the EWR Captains Rep on this thread. It would be one of the more aggressive defenses of PS.

SlickMachine

I'm sure we have. I have it first hand that they (EWR Reps) bent over nicely on the subject for Pierce. I know the LAX reps are extremely unhappy with the turnout here. Tomorrow is the town hall conference call- listen, ask, and be unpleasant because this all smells funny.