Slammer

Maybe you guys need to focus on your own MEC team and ask why the company extended furlough protection and block hour protection for UAL only. FWIW, i was told by the EWR LEC, that all the LECs were onboard, so Pierce was following direction from the reps of the CAL pilots. Not defending Pierce just presenting the facts. I'm glad your MEC did negotiate protections for UAL, that are NOT in your contract, and it was successful, but it seems hypocritical to continually bash CAL pilots, for a collective MEC decision, to
Leverage a grievance to garner PS, when you know the company did not extend portions of furlough protection or block hours to UAL only out of
the goodness their executive hearts.

Slammer

Take a look at our seniority list. It's not the seniority list of the 80s you continue to reference. Our majority have less than 20 years, as we've been hiring the past 7 years plus growth. So I will tell you this is not the CAL group of the 80s or 90s for that matter.

13n144e

Yeah, funny about that. Your diction and the lack of pertinence evident in most of your posts sounds exactly like "Dumbfounded" who seemed to disappear about the same time you started posting...

syd111

Same mentality, do what you want, most of us know how things seem to work there. Enjoy the profit sharing hopefully it will hold you over for the next couple of years.

Slammer

Let's wait to see the verbiage on the 2012 TPA. You may be right, but hard to imagine furlough protection etc".will not be in writing directly supporting UAL plots, just as it was in 2011. That would constitute an agreement. Lets see whats in writing. We have the exact ALPA system and for months this PS issue was being discussed, and yes the LECs provided direction to PIerce. Myself and others i know provided feedback to our LEC, that we did not want PS, if it jeopardized leverage of our future JCBA so they were given guidance by many pilots. Also quite frankly, I believed not getting PS, would fire up some of our sleeping giants and get them involved. I also believe the company had concerns about operations on 14 Feb so they were motivated to find s solution as well. I do not see this quite as black and white as
you summarize as win/loss

Slammer

Hey, if you want a fight, go to another forum. I was attempting to educate you about a pilot group you will integrate with whether you like it or not.

syd111

I'll stay right here thank you very much. I don't need any education about your pilot group. I am quite aware we will be integrated one way or another, will be watching my back as close as I can.

I started this process with an open mind, sorry I just don't trust it anymore.

757Driver

Not true, was told that LAX was against it and later IAH.

AxlF16

What makes you think there will be a 2012 TPA??

What you are describing at the end of your paragraph is 'leverage'. Pierce and your MEC chose to use it poorly. The result of their choice will be a 'lose' for all of us.

Slammer

Great question to ask during the townehall meeting on the 5th.