APC225

If it was meant to supplement our concessionary wages until the next CBA, then that's how it would have been written (just like L-UAL). Instead, it was by contractual agreement sunesetted. IOW, it was a carrot (a much more generous one) to lure us into concessions and then afterwards removed. Very shortsighted on our part.

We got profit sharing renewed under the TPA but only for 2010. Again shortsighted.

We exchanged a 767 grievance for 2011 profit sharing, again, for just one year.

See a pattern here? We get what we negotiate for and we appear to be negotiating for small short term gains that allows the company to keep us wallowing in a large concessionary contract for apparently as long as they can grow carrots.

More importantly, we've shown the company (and L-UAL) that we're not going use an historic one-time opportunity of unity between the two groups as leverage, but that the two pilot groups are negotiating separately now for possibly endless short term gains thus kicking a JCBA down the road for years.

As long as we're going down separate roads I think L-UAL should use whatever leverage they can to bring their pay rates up to ours. Seeing that, maybe then (finally) we will become motivated use whatever leverage we have to bring our work rules up to theirs.

Then maybe we can all move forward in bringing both up to where they ought to be.

APC225

If you're a CAL pilot you know that that is unlikely to happen. VJM through the entire summer of 2011, VJM from mid Dec through 4 Jan. They know they've got a pool of people who step up whenever needed.

syd111

Now the humor is here again, there is nobody that beleives there would have been hundreds of flights cancelled but hey enjoy the profit sharing it could be a long time before a jcba.

oldmako

Excellent post. I'm glad that some CAL guys seem to understand why the UAL peeps are so disgusted with the way this happened and what the potential negative ramifications are for both groups. Many seem to miss the big picture and just want to be tossed a bone the second week of Feb. I want the whole steak.

This was a lousy deal for the entire group and weakened us in managements eyes. They're laughing at CAL pilots, giving the finger to UAL pilots and are THRILLED with Pierce. More champagne on Wacker!

Ignore the chaff and lets get focused on the GDJCBA!

krudawg

Roger that...Semper Fi !!!!!

CALFO

Yes, very shortsighted. Like many things in C'02. Regardless, the purpose of profit sharing was to supplement the miserable pay rates. What else would the purpose be?

CALFO

And how exactly do you believe it happened? Was there a backdoor deal? Did the CAL MEC move with the UAL MEC's knowledge? Did the CAL MEC fight for continuation of all the agreements in the original TPA? What were the UAL MEC's demands?

If the shoe were on the other foot and the UAL MEC had a legitimate (yet weak) grievance on file that might award the pilot group $5 million and the company offered to settle it for $50 million, how would you want them to respond?

CALFO

What was the failure of integrity here? Please expand with facts, not emotional speculation.

syd111

But hey these are the cal of the 80's don't kid yourself.

CALFO

The facts posted on this board are few and far between.